Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.

[lookout]

HUH? 
 
Staged as in giving the impression that Sheila killed herself. Rifle conveniently laying on her body, bible by her side - 'staged'

But the Bible was originally on Sheila's chest and the rifle by her side ?

[lookout]

In AE's 72 page statement,it says that AE had been told by DC Mick Clark that both women had been found on the bed with a Bible on Sheila's chest and the rifle between the two women.

[Caroline]

But the Bible was originally on Sheila's chest and the rifle by her side ?

No it wasn't.

[Caroline]

In AE's 72 page statement,it says that AE had been told by DC Mick Clark that both women had been found on the bed with a Bible on Sheila's chest and the rifle between the two women.

They weren't.

[lookout]

They weren't.

So either DC Mick Clark is lying or AE is.

[lookout]

PC's Collins and Delgado had no recollection at all of seeing the gun,as they'd been querying the position of Sheila's body anyway. They had seen the Bible on the floor next to Sheila's waist after it had previously been reported to have been on her chest.

[lookout]

3 senior officers were brought before the " chief " during this case,so it shows that things weren't going so well. Everyone relied on each others information which was wrong in the first place. Then blow me,EP then had to rely on information from outside of what they should have been doing themselves.

[maggie]

PC's Collins and Delgado had no recollection at all of seeing the gun,as they'd been querying the position of Sheila's body anyway. They had seen the Bible on the floor next to Sheila's waist after it had previously been reported to have been on her chest.

I find the presence of the bible on Sheila's chest or next to her is just too contrived.  It would be far more likely that June would handle the bible.  She may have had it next to her as she probably read it each night before sleep and put her hand on it after being shot, maybe when trying to stand up. 

Sheila's body with the gun lying on top of her so neatly looks staged to me, the bible lying near her also doesn't ring true, if it had lain like that for hours and the blood had dried surely it would have stuck to the carpet? 

I believe the bible arrived next to Sheila by accident and got included by mistake or it was put there by someone on purpose.  I can't understand why at that time the police would have any reason to place it in that position.

[lookout]

What happened to the " leather-bound " Bible when it was first reported ? That was wrong.
The Bible which was found,would have been resting on her chest her right elbow bent upwards with the palm of her hand resting on an open page,and this IMO is how she died.

[Adam]

I find the presence of the bible on Sheila's chest or next to her is just too contrived.  It would be far more likely that June would handle the bible.  She may have had it next to her as she probably read it each night before sleep and put her hand on it after being shot, maybe when trying to stand up. 

Sheila's body with the gun lying on top of her so neatly looks staged to me, the bible lying near her also doesn't ring true, if it had lain like that for hours and the blood had dried surely it would have stuck to the carpet? 

I believe the bible arrived next to Sheila by accident and got included by mistake or it was put there by someone on purpose.  I can't understand why at that time the police would have any reason to place it in that position.

How can the bible get put on the floor by mistake ?

If it was on a shelf, someone took it off the shelf and put it on the floor. That is not a mistake.

The police at the crime scene would not know where a bible was. Or have any reason to put it there.

Jeremy agreed with the professor he hired that Sheila was murdered. When asked by his defence team,  if it wasn't him who was it ? , he said 'he didn't know'.

So it is quite clear Jeremy put the bible there after the two shots to Sheila. 

[maggie]

How can the bible get put on the floor by mistake ?

If it was on a shelf, someone took it off the shelf and put it on the floor. That is not a mistake.

The police at the crime scene would not know where a bible was. Or have any reason to put it there.

Jeremy agreed with the professor he hired that Sheila was murdered. When asked by his defence team,  if it wasn't him who was it ? , he said 'he didn't know'.

So it is quite clear Jeremy put the bible there after the two shots to Sheila.

I really don't get your reasoning Adam.  Who knows how the bible got on the floor, maybe it fell off the bed onto the floor and just lay there before being kicked or hit by the door or whatever.  Should imagine everything was pretty chaotic.
I wonder what you are trying to prove? 

[Adam]

I really don't get your reasoning Adam.  Who knows how the bible got on the floor, maybe it fell off the bed onto the floor and just lay there before being kicked or hit by the door or whatever.  Should imagine everything was pretty chaotic.
I wonder what you are trying to prove?

Falling off the bed, after the massacre. Then being kicked around Sheila and ending up on top of Sheila's blood ?

As Matt Houston said to a beautiful lady after she said to him 'maybe you could try that on me sometime' -  'it's a thought'.

[Jan]

The question is - is it staged -or is that what the scene would look like if someone had committed suicide in that position?

Would the gun have stayed there or fallen to one side?
 would her hands have fallen to one side?

Etc etc .

these are answers I am not sure of . But I am not sure if the police are telling the complete truth about not moving anything . Because there seem to be discrepancies about whether the rifle was checked before taking photos.

[Caroline]

The question is - is it staged -or is that what the scene would look like if someone had committed suicide in that position?

Would the gun have stayed there or fallen to one side?
 would her hands have fallen to one side?

Etc etc .

these are answers I am not sure of . But I am not sure if the police are telling the complete truth about not moving anything . Because there seem to be discrepancies about whether the rifle was checked before taking photos.

I think it would be almost impossible for her hand to have been so close to the weapon. It kind of screams 'look my hand is near the trigger  I shot 'myself'.

Why do you think they moved the weapon before taking pictures? Why would they? The picture of Sheila shows that she has been dead for sometime and I don't believe there were 'two' sets of pictures - there would be no reason to take more later. The blood from her mouth was dry and cracked and she has clear signs on LM. But even if they did check the rifle, it would have taken 2 seconds so they would hardly liely forget the position of the gun or her hand

[Jan]

I think it would be almost impossible for her hand to have been so close to the weapon. It kind of screams 'look my hand is near the trigger  I shot 'myself'.

Why do you think they moved the weapon before taking pictures? Why would they? The picture of Sheila shows that she has been dead for sometime and I don't believe there were 'two' sets of pictures - there would be no reason to take more later. The blood from her mouth was dry and cracked and she has clear signs on LM. But even if they did check the rifle, it would have taken 2 seconds so they would hardly liely forget the position of the gun or her hand

Because it was discussed in court - some said it would have been procedure to check the rifle - others said they had not .

And yes in normal circumstances I would agree with you but they did seem to have made up their minds straight away so would they have really worried about whether it was in the same position ? Was she moved slightly because she was in an exposed position? Now in a crime scene it would be left like that but they did not treat it like a crime scene  did they ?So just wondering if they got a bit slapdash and did not think it would matter? And it would not have mattered until the tides turned so to speak.