Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.

[David1819]

Yes.

So you have decided the man is guilty because of the way he has written back to you?

That's not good judgment if you ask me.

[Caroline]

So you have decided the man is guilty because of the way he has written back to you?

That's not good judgment if you ask me.

I think he's guilty for a myriad of reasons - not even sure what your position is, it seems to change daily.

[David1819]

Write to him yourself, then comment. Ask him something you want to know. I did and when it was positive he answered, when it wasn't, he didn't. That's all I can tell you.

Its not that simple. I would have to built allot of rapport with him over many letters and use many mind game tactics to get anything useful out of him without him working it out. Not easy

[Caroline]

Its not that simple. I would have to built allot of rapport with him over many letters and use many mind game tactics to get anything useful out of him without him working it out. Not easy

No you wouldn't. I didn't write to him with any 'mind games' in mind. I thought he was innocent - after writing for 3 years and having him leave the difficult questions alone. I didn't try to trap him, I just asked what I wanted to know - I began to have second thoughts because he can be VERY evasive. But I ALWAYS thought the phone call was dodgy.

It really is that simply. You can't judge me for having an opinion based of my experience of communication when you have had none.

[David1819]

I think he's guilty for a myriad of reasons - not even sure what your position is, it seems to change daily.

I have never decided one way or another. I don't put any emotional investment in these situations so I don't care if he is guilty or is not guilty. My verdict is open therefore I have nothing to lose.

There are times when I decide he must be guilty and try to stick to it but there is part of me that is never satisfied with believing in guilt. When I start believing he is guilty its never a solid belief there is always a nudge in the back of my mind telling me something is not write about it 

[Caroline]

I have never decided one way or another. I don't put any emotional investment in these situations so I don't care if he is guilty or is not guilty. My verdict is open therefore I have nothing to lose.

There are times when I decide he must be guilty and try to stick to it but there is part of me that is never satisfied with believing in guilt. When I start believing he is guilty its never a solid belief there is always a nudge in the back of my mind telling me something is not write about it 

That's fine - I have questions too, hence my err 'rapport' with Scipio over Venezis various opinions and the silencer. However, I do believe that he's guilty but I still have questions about the investigation.

[David1819]

That's fine - I have questions too, hence my err 'rapport' with Scipio over Venezis various opinions and the silencer. However, I do believe that he's guilty but I still have questions about the investigation.

Do you Believe he is guilty or do you Know he is guilty?


I think only one person knows

[Caroline]

Do you Believe he is guilty or do you Know he is guilty?


I think only one person knows

I believe that I know he's guilty 

Of course only he knows for sure, but I'm as sure as I can be without being there.

[maggie]

I have never decided one way or another. I don't put any emotional investment in these situations so I don't care if he is guilty or is not guilty. My verdict is open therefore I have nothing to lose.

There are times when I decide he must be guilty and try to stick to it but there is part of me that is never satisfied with believing in guilt. When I start believing he is guilty its never a solid belief there is always a nudge in the back of my mind telling me something is not write about it 

I agree, I have worked hard on believing him guilty just lately but have concluded for now at least that I just don't know.
Stripping away the myths can be convincing for guilt but there are still many questions and to me his innocence is still a possibility.
I have no idea how I would behave in the same situation as an innocent JB because I have never been there. Thirty years in prison changes anyone in so many ways it's impossible to judge imo. He must be so institutionalised by now that his reality is completely different from people living a free life. If he is innocent he's had his life stolen from him and everyone should care about that.

[Jan]

Are you sure? 

Alias is correct  if he is guilty he "staged" a suicide . So he did not let the police decide.

Unless of course two officers were correct and the gun /bible/and Sheila were in different positions . Then it could have been suicide but not staged if you see what I mean?

I am not so sure that in a suicide the gun etc would not fall away from the body and not be in such a "perfect" position.

So it could be staged - or the police could have picked up the rifle to make sure it was safe  - checked Sheila to see if she was dead and then put things back - perhaps in a slightly different position.

Could this mean anything? Who knows .But if they thought she could be alive it might mean she had only just shot herself.

And if they had decided to cover that up ( not sure why? )  could they come out and admit that later ?

They should of - but would they ?
It has always just niggled me that the jury were seeing a scene that was supposed to be "staged" but was it "staged by Jeremy?

[Adam]

No you wouldn't. I didn't write to him with any 'mind games' in mind. I thought he was innocent - after writing for 3 years and having him leave the difficult questions alone. I didn't try to trap him, I just asked what I wanted to know - I began to have second thoughts because he can be VERY evasive. But I ALWAYS thought the phone call was dodgy.

It really is that simply. You can't judge me for having an opinion based of my experience of communication when you have had none.

It is strange that he struggled with difficult questions.

If he was being interviewed face to face, then he may struggle. Just as he struggled in court and in police interviews.

However from his prison cell he has days or weeks to write down something. You would think he could manage that.

[Adam]

You've raised this point before and yes people have answered it.

Yes, the two bullets have been discussed before. Threads created.

However as just mentioned, Alias ignores all the other evidence and says Jeremy is innocent for this reason. Ignoring the fact it works both ways, with two shot suicides being very rare.

[Caroline]

Alias is correct  if he is guilty he "staged" a suicide . So he did not let the police decide.

Unless of course two officers were correct and the gun /bible/and Sheila were in different positions . Then it could have been suicide but not staged if you see what I mean?

I am not so sure that in a suicide the gun etc would not fall away from the body and not be in such a "perfect" position.

So it could be staged - or the police could have picked up the rifle to make sure it was safe  - checked Sheila to see if she was dead and then put things back - perhaps in a slightly different position.

Could this mean anything? Who knows .But if they thought she could be alive it might mean she had only just shot herself.

And if they had decided to cover that up ( not sure why? )  could they come out and admit that later ?

They should of - but would they ?
It has always just niggled me that the jury were seeing a scene that was supposed to be "staged" but was it "staged by Jeremy?

Yes, he did stage it and he helped instil the theory of suicide but they ultimately came to the suicide decision. I believe it was staged by Jeremy.

[lookout]

What exactly do you mean by " staged ?".

[Caroline]

What exactly do you mean by " staged ?".

HUH? 
 
Staged as in giving the impression that Sheila killed herself. Rifle conveniently laying on her body, bible by her side - 'staged'