Deviant. Paul Harrison's book.

[guest154]

Some notes I made from DEVIANT

Let me just say that firstly I wasn't much looking forward to this book as I had a strange experience with MasonDoyle when he took offence to something I posted and threatened to sue me.

But I have to say, the book did do a good job of crunching down all of the evidence in a straight forward and honest way, I feel he looked at things from both sides and ended up coming to the conclusion as GUILTY because that is where the evidence led him.

I am not saying that I learned too much new from the book - but I did read some interesting things.



The anonymous letter - I believe Jeremy LIKELY did say the crime was him and Sheila. I think this because the person who wrote that letter clearly HAD spent time with Bamber.

The letter claims that Bamber calls Certain groups of supporters... "Jeremy's depserate and lonely housewives club

That fits in with what I have been told in the past, he has nicknames for supporters and they aren't positive ones... he calls one supporter HEAVY - and I've known that for years.

I still don't think they committed the crimes together.  But I do believe it is likely Bamber claimed they did.

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I also found the Brett Collins sections interesting.

Brett now believes Bamber to be GUILTY.
Behind closed doors Brett claims Bamber was Laughing and saying how foolish the police and people were
He seems to say that he didn't come forward with his information at the time because he didn't feel he would be taken seriously as the officers seemed to have a problem with his sexuality.
Brett confirms the story of trying to sell photos of Sheila to the Sun reporter - he says it was "all Bamber"

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There is more. Am typing it up..

[Caroline]

Some notes I made from DEVIANT

Let me just say that firstly I wasn't much looking forward to this book as I had a strange experience with MasonDoyle when he took offence to something I posted and threatened to sue me.

But I have to say, the book did do a good job of crunching down all of the evidence in a straight forward and honest way, I feel he looked at things from both sides and ended up coming to the conclusion as GUILTY because that is where the evidence led him.

I am not saying that I learned too much new from the book - but I did read some interesting things.



The anonymous letter - I believe Jeremy LIKELY did say the crime was him and Sheila. I think this because the person who wrote that letter clearly HAD spent time with Bamber.

The letter claims that Bamber calls Certain groups of supporters... "Jeremy's depserate and lonely housewives club

That fits in with what I have been told in the past, he has nicknames for supporters and they aren't positive ones... he calls one supporter HEAVY - and I've known that for years.

I still don't think they committed the crimes together.  But I do believe it is likely Bamber claimed they did.

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I also found the Brett Collins sections interesting.

Brett now believes Bamber to be GUILTY.
Behind closed doors Brett claims Bamber was Laughing and saying how foolish the police and people were
He seems to say that he didn't come forward with his information at the time because he didn't feel he would be taken seriously as the officers seemed to have a problem with his sexuality.
Brett confirms the story of trying to sell photos of Sheila to the Sun reporter - he says it was "all Bamber"[/b]

Not that is interesting!! 

[Adam]

So PH interviewed Brett for an opinion.

This is different to Wilkes's book, who interviewed everyone just to find out what happened. Who said what when etc. Rather than get opinions.

Surely Brett knew from day one Bamber was guilty. Jolly ups are rare directly after ones family have been massacred. But good to get his opinion in print. And interesting that Bamber called the police 'foolish'. What an earth did he mean ?

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A friend of Bamber claims Bamber once told him "I fucking hate my family, they keep me short of money."
Taff Jones...

Taff Jones is revealed in the book to not have supported Bambers claims of innocence that supporters have long said he did. He is said to have claimed "Slowly, slowly catchee monkey" and he called Bamber a "good liar"
Taff even told people AFTER he was thrown off the investigation that he would "prove Bambers guilt"
The book goes into detail regarding Taff questioning Bamber about the number of bullets left out on the counter. He told Bamber to "think carefully before you answer because your answer doesn't tallly with the evidence"....Bamber then avoided answering and Taff told him to "answer the question" Bamber couldn't answer
DCC Peter Simpson says "Taff Knew and believed that BAMBER was guilty"


I think the book is worth the purchase alone just for the Taff Jones information.

[guest154]

Now that is interesting!! 

If I could have called you from Mexico, I bloody would have done!! 

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Stan Jones states he never believed Sheila was the killer and thought that Julie was holding something back the first time that he met her.

One thing that stood out to me is that we all know Bamber is originally claimed to have planned to burn the house down in order to kill the family. Julie explains that he decided not to do this because there were large priced items in the house that were not insured and if he burnt the house down then this would destroy them and he wouldn't be able to claim on the insurance.

That did stand out to me when I read it - because HOW would Julie know that the items weren't on the insurance? BAMBER must have told her that  - it adds truth to her story for me. There is no way she would have known without Bamber telling her IMO.

[maggie]

Not that is interesting!! 

He didn't speak face to face with Brett PH had real difficulty getting Brett to contact him and eventually got a phone call out of the blue from someone claiming to be Brett Collins.  PH said he was sure it was Brett he spoke to although he had no proof.  Brett Collins said he was in bad health and there has been a rumour online since that time claiming Brett has died.

[Adam]

Brett has no reason to lie that I can think of.

The Sun pictures would be all Bamber. They were his photos. Brett may have arranged the meeting and would have enjoyed the jolly ups afterwards if The Sun paid out.

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Officers outside on the day of the murders claimed that Bamber looked "fake and arrogant"

The press wanted to run a story on DAY ONE that the "son was the killer" and locals instantly believed it was "the evil son"



Ed Lawson who was junior for Bambers defence council said some very interesting things.
"Bamber was a horrible man"
"Wholly focused on money"
"Don't believe Sheila played any part on the killings"
"In hindsight he was guilty"
"We searched for evidence of innocence, there was none there."

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Brett has no reason to lie that I can think of.

The Sun pictures would be all Bamber. They were his photos. Brett may have arranged the meeting and would have enjoyed the jolly ups afterwards if The Sun paid out.

Agreed.  That is what he claims, that he set up the meeting but after that it was "all Bamber"

[maggie]

If I could have called you from Mexico, I bloody would have done!! 

Should have used What's App.

[Adam]

Stan Jones states he never believed Sheila was the killer and thought that Julie was holding something back the first time that he met her.

One thing that stood out to me is that we all know Bamber is originally claimed to have planned to burn the house down in order to kill the family. Julie explains that he decided not to do this because there were large priced items in the house that were not insured and if he burnt the house down then this would destroy them and he wouldn't be able to claim on the insurance.

That did stand out to me when I read it - because HOW would Julie know that the items weren't on the insurance? BAMBER must have told her that  - it adds truth to her story for me. There is no way she would have known without Bamber telling her IMO.

Doesn't Julie say this in her WS ? Or police interviews.

SJ says on the recent video he was not convinced by Bamber's reaction outside WHF.

[David1819]

Surely Brett knew from day one Bamber was guilty.

No I doubt it. If he did he would have run for the hills, I would. Why on earth would brett remain fiends if he knew?

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Doesn't Julie say this in her WS ? Or police interviews.

SJ says on the recent video he was not convinced by Bamber's reaction outside WHF.

Yes. I am just highlighting what stands out in the book  - it is good to have it all in one place.

That is basically all of my notes, but the book has more things in, I just ran out of room on my sheet of paper.

No I doubt it. If he did he would have run for the hills, I would. Why on earth would brett remain fiends if he knew?

I don't think he cared. I think he was happy to use Jeremy for the money Jeremy had found himself with, Brett and Jeremy both seemed fans of money.