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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #105 on: August 08, 2015, 10:11:AM »
Don't you think it was strange if she wasn't frightened of him if she knew what he was capable of?  Shrinking violet or not think anyone with any common sense would realise he was an extremely dangerous and violent man who could turn on you at any moment.  No thanks, I would have been off fast as I could.

she seemed quite happy to be close to him after the murders and yet one of her "friends" said she knew the truth within days and she herself said she knew on the night.

something does not add up.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #106 on: August 08, 2015, 10:14:AM »
Jealousy,blackmail and greed.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #107 on: August 08, 2015, 10:18:AM »
Julie identified the bodies, and failed to mention anything. Apart from being more than a little cold, her failure to speak up actually delayed the investigation of JB. She lied by omission and assisted a murderer to the point that he nearly got away with it.

The fact that she later changed her story, voluntarily or not, doesn't wipe out her earlier action/inaction.

Clearly she made a deal to avoid being prosecuted. I maintain my opinion that she should have been charged as an accessory, or at the very least for perverting justice.

She certainly shouldn't have benefited financially and I'm not sure she should have been able to pursue her teaching career.

I don't see how anybody could see her in a favourable light.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #108 on: August 08, 2015, 10:33:AM »
It is often used against Jeremy about how he behaved at the funeral - but how about how about how she acted? her words on the night "I knew he had done it" and yet there she is supporting him and holding his arm ?

Now I don't agree with the analogy of behaviour because I do believe everyone acts differently etc etc , but if you are going to criticise JB then you have to apply that to her as well.


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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #109 on: August 08, 2015, 10:45:AM »
It is often used against Jeremy about how he behaved at the funeral - but how about how about how she acted? her words on the night "I knew he had done it" and yet there she is supporting him and holding his arm ?

Now I don't agree with the analogy of behaviour because I do believe everyone acts differently etc etc , but if you are going to criticise JB then you have to apply that to her as well.


With hindsight!!!! -yeh, yeh, I know!!!!- do you not think the pair of them look like ham actors? Who can say what is appropriate but to me, their behaviours look overdone, exaggerated BUT -and you know I hold NO brief for her- hers would have been about cause and effect,so with Jeremy displaying an OTT demonstration of grief, SHE was required to demonstrate an equally OTT demonstration of concern.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #110 on: August 08, 2015, 10:48:AM »
Julie identified the bodies, and failed to mention anything. Apart from being more than a little cold, her failure to speak up actually delayed the investigation of JB. She lied by omission and assisted a murderer to the point that he nearly got away with it.

The fact that she later changed her story, voluntarily or not, doesn't wipe out her earlier action/inaction.

Clearly she made a deal to avoid being prosecuted. I maintain my opinion that she should have been charged as an accessory, or at the very least for perverting justice.

She certainly shouldn't have benefited financially and I'm not sure she should have been able to pursue her teaching career.

I don't see how anybody could see her in a favourable light.

Well the police didn't prosecute her. Carr got over 3 years. So was much worse.

There are lots of reasons why Julie waited one month. I will find my thread post. Again.

Did Julie deserve the 25k. Certainly. I will find my thread post. Again.

Julie was being very helpful identifying the bodies. No one wanted to. Including Jeremy.

The investigation was delayed as Jeremy lead them in a direction and evidence takes time to process.  And kept a close eye on Julie, whisking her around and saying she would never be believed.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 10:57:AM by Adam »
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #111 on: August 08, 2015, 10:50:AM »
Jeremy's supporters often criticise Julie for not going to the police straight away. 

There are lots of reasons why she approached the police a month later- 


She was Jeremy's girlfriend. 

She loved Jeremy and said she was under his spell. 

She was in shock. 

She was afraid of what Jeremy may do if he found out. 

She tried to deny it to herself that the man she loved was involved.

Jeremy had said that he had paid MM £2,000 to commit the massacre. Julie said she knew Jeremy did not have this money available. So she would have clung to the possibility that Jeremy was making false boasts.  

She was 20 years old. We all make wrong decisions when so young.  

Jeremy had said he was 'watertight' and it was an 'open and shut case'. He said Julie would not be believed. 

She was afraid she would be implicating herself. Being aware of his hatred and resentment towards his family,  and previous plans. 

While still in shock, she gave a statement early on. So was afraid that changing her statement days or weeks later may put her in trouble. 

She was afraid she would not be believed. Making herself look stupid and getting in trouble with the police for making false claims. 

She was caught in the eye of a hurricane. Police,  relatives and the media always around, funerals to attend. Jeremy getting police cars to pick her up, then whisking her off to Amsterdam the weekend after the massacre.  

She had no one to speak to at first. Being with Jeremy most of the time after the massacre. She did not want to attend the funeral or continuously go around with Jeremy & Brett. But was persuaded to by Jeremy. 

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It is true she approached the police, (via Liz Rimmington) after they had spilt up. After finally getting to speak to other people she trusted.  She was hardly likely to approach the police while still Jeremy's girlfriend, was she ? 

Jeremy said the relationship had been in decline for six months prior to the massacre. They were both young and living miles away from each other.  The massacre probably speeded up the ending of the relationship by a few weeks.  After Julie had come to terms with the massacre and cleared her head. 

It is not conclusive about who jilted who. Although Jeremy has always weakly said Julie spoke to the police and testified because he jilted her. But he has never said scorned women are just as likely to tell the truth. 

Speaking to the police a month later seems quite normal to me (see above). Making these claims months of years later, after moving in with or marrying Jeremy would have looked much worse. 

She was brave in approaching the police. Jeremy had not been arrested and the silencer evidence had not come back from the lab. The police could have laughed her out of the station. Or charged her with wasting police time. Or both. 
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #112 on: August 08, 2015, 10:51:AM »
3am - 'I've not slept all night, there is something wrong at the farm. Everything is going well'.

A few hours later 'A police car is coming to pick you up'

From then on Julie or her families life will never be the same again. Being whisked over to WHF, Eastbourne, Burnham,  Amsterdam, London and Champagne funerals. Sometimes against her wishes as Bamber insisted on also bringing jolly up buddy Brett along. Her (second) degree and work having to be left behind,  indefinitely.

After a month of soul searching, confiding to several friends and hearing Bamber ask another woman out, she approached the police. Risking serious perjury charges if proved to be lying. Which has never been proved.

A harrowing trial followed for a 21 year old woman. For both Julie and her family.  Julie not retracting a word of her 'ring of truth' WS and having to answer questions on an unrelated 1984 joint minor cheque book fraud. 

Bamber had already tried to sell his life story and distasteful pictures of Sheila to the Sun. And drove a hard bargain with the NOTW. Complaining to his lawyers about his fee.

The NOTW approached Julie after getting inside knowledge that Bamber was guilty. Julie accepted their offer without haggling. 

Bamber was hoping to make money from the massacre of his family. Julie accepted an offer regarding a massacre of people she was not related to. Having nothing to do with the massacre on the night. 

Even 30 years later people post all sorts of nasty things about Julie. Jeremy's OS has a whole chapter on her & the campaign team posted an 8 minute Youtube video on her in 2014. One of several distasteful videos about her.

Julie has kept a dignified silence after the NOTW interview. Refusing to get drawn into a war of words with Bamber. Preferring to focus on her family and successful teaching career. Even Wilkes couldn't get her to speak.

Did Julie deserve £25,000 ? You bet.



« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 10:59:AM by Adam »
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #113 on: August 08, 2015, 11:01:AM »
Julie identified the bodies, and failed to mention anything. Apart from being more than a little cold, her failure to speak up actually delayed the investigation of JB. She lied by omission and assisted a murderer to the point that he nearly got away with it.

The fact that she later changed her story, voluntarily or not, doesn't wipe out her earlier action/inaction.

Clearly she made a deal to avoid being prosecuted. I maintain my opinion that she should have been charged as an accessory, or at the very least for perverting justice.

She certainly shouldn't have benefited financially and I'm not sure she should have been able to pursue her teaching career.

I don't see how anybody could see her in a favourable light.
Totally agree Hartley.  :)

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #114 on: August 08, 2015, 11:02:AM »
Jeremy's supporters often criticise Julie for not going to the police straight away.

There are lots of reasons why she approached the police a month later-


She was Jeremy's girlfriend.

She loved Jeremy and said she was under his spell.

She was in shock.

She was afraid of what Jeremy may do if he found out.

She tried to deny it to herself that the man she loved was involved.

Jeremy had said that he had paid MM £2,000 to commit the massacre. Julie said she knew Jeremy did not have this money available. So she would have clung to the possibility that Jeremy was making false boasts. 

She was 20 years old. We all make wrong decisions when so young. 

Jeremy had said he was 'watertight' and it was an 'open and shut case'. He said Julie would not be believed.

She was afraid she would be implicating herself. Being aware of his hatred and resentment towards his family,  and previous plans.

While still in shock, she gave a statement early on. So was afraid that changing her statement days or weeks later may put her in trouble.

She was afraid she would not be believed. Making herself look stupid and getting in trouble with the police for making false claims.

She was caught in the eye of a hurricane. Police,  relatives and the media always around, funerals to attend. Jeremy getting police cars to pick her up, then whisking her off to Amsterdam the weekend after the massacre. 

She had no one to speak to at first. Being with Jeremy most of the time after the massacre. She did not want to attend the funeral or continuously go around with Jeremy & Brett. But was persuaded to by Jeremy.

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It is true she approached the police, (via Liz Rimmington) after they had spilt up. After finally getting to speak to other people she trusted.  She was hardly likely to approach the police while still Jeremy's girlfriend, was she ?

Jeremy said the relationship had been in decline for six months prior to the massacre. They were both young and living miles away from each other.  The massacre probably speeded up the ending of the relationship by a few weeks.  After Julie had come to terms with the massacre and cleared her head.

It is not conclusive about who jilted who. Although Jeremy has always weakly said Julie spoke to the police and testified because he jilted her. But he has never said scorned women are just as likely to tell the truth.

Speaking to the police a month later seems quite normal to me (see above). Making these claims months of years later, after moving in with or marrying Jeremy would have looked much worse.

She was brave in approaching the police. Jeremy had not been arrested and the silencer evidence had not come back from the lab. The police could have laughed her out of the station. Or charged her with wasting police time. Or both.
This post just shows how biased you are.  ;D

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #115 on: August 08, 2015, 11:15:AM »
Running away could make one even more of a target plus he told her about a hitman to give her some added fear.

In any event she didn't run out of a mix of fear and love it wasn't all fear. Some lovers,mothers, and other friends or family have helped dispose of bodies and do all sorts of things to protect their loved ones who did wrong. Love is a funny thing.
Love? That's not love how can you love a mass murderer?

She was only very young, I know how young girls minds work because I have been one, also I have two daughters who are in their 20s. Julie's behaviour as it is stated was very difficult to understand. Imo

People who help others bury bodies etc. have serious issues themselves...... ......      you are kidding surely? 
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #116 on: August 08, 2015, 11:17:AM »
Love? That's not love, certainly not in the true sense of the word.

She was only very young, I know how young girls minds work because I have been one, I have two daughters who are in their 20s. Julie's behaviour as it is stated was very difficult to understand. Imo

People who help others bury bodies etc. have serious issues themselves...... you are kidding surely?

If a police car picked you up and took you to WHF on the morning of the massacre, would you have shopped you're boyfriend and the man you love there and then ?

Not now, but when you were 20.
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #117 on: August 08, 2015, 11:27:AM »
If a police car picked you up and took you to WHF on morning of the massacre, would you have shopped you're boyfriend and the man you love there and then ?
Possibly not at that moment but she had plenty of time after. 

My argument is not even moral, even if I didn't shop him I'd be horrified, terrified want to run away. 

I know I often argue we don't know how we'd behave in any situation til we are in it but even if it took a week, once rational thinking clicked back in you'd be too horrified/ scared to keep going, unless in some way you had problems, 'love' is not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

I was always strong on self preservation so I would guess that would have been the strongest instinct along with horror especially after identifying 5 murdered bodies of people I knew...... talk about nightmares or maybe I'm unusual and she was normal?
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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #118 on: August 08, 2015, 11:30:AM »
It is often used against Jeremy about how he behaved at the funeral - but how about how about how she acted? her words on the night "I knew he had done it" and yet there she is supporting him and holding his arm ?

Now I don't agree with the analogy of behaviour because I do believe everyone acts differently etc etc , but if you are going to criticise JB then you have to apply that to her as well.






Everyone else too considering that there were two little children involved.I'd have been beside myself and thoroughly destroyed.

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Re: Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?
« Reply #119 on: August 08, 2015, 11:33:AM »
Possibly not at that moment but she had plenty of time after. 

My argument is not even moral, even if I didn't shop him I'd be horrified, terrified want to run away. 

I know I often argue we don't know how we'd behave in any situation til we are in it but even if it took a week, once rational thinking clicked back in you'd be too horrified/ scared to keep going, unless in some way you had problems, 'love' is not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

I was always strong on self preservation so I would guess that would have been the strongest instinct along with horror especially after identifying 5 murdered bodies of people I knew...... talk about nightmares or maybe I'm unusual and she was normal?

She may well have been horrified and terrified. But with police, family and Jeremy all around,  a 20 year old woman is hardly likely to start accusing Jeremy at 8 am.

The relationship went into a steep decline afterwards and they soon spilt up. Julie approaching the police a month later.
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