Why did Julie tell five people before approaching the police ?

[Jane]

It certainly wasn't Jeremy who had the " mental issues  !"

After a life time of being constrained by someone else's rules -which didn't fit HIM- I'd be VERY surprised if, at the very least, he wasn't in need of therapy.

[maggie]

After a life time of being constrained by someone else's rules -which didn't fit HIM- I'd be VERY surprised if, at the very least, he wasn't in need of therapy.

Huge mistake to try to make him into what they wanted instead of letting him be what he needed to be and I can understand why they did it but it really wouldn't have helped him very much. 

Whether Jeremy or Sheila or both of them did it there's no doubt both those children would have had psychological difficulties with their mother, not particularly their father notwithstanding anything June did but because of the loss of their natural mother which was never addressed or understood in any way.

[Jane]

Huge mistake to try to make him into what they wanted instead of letting him be what he needed to be and I can understand why they did it but it really wouldn't have helped him very much. 

Whether Jeremy or Sheila or both of them did it there's no doubt both those children would have had psychological difficulties with their mother, not particularly their father notwithstanding anything June did but because of the loss of their natural mother which was never addressed or understood in any way.

But this is what occurs when children are adopted solely to fulfil the practical needs of the adopting parents who give no consideration to the emotional needs of the child.

[maggie]

But this is what occurs when children are adopted solely to fulfil the practical needs of the adopting parents who give no consideration to the emotional needs of the child.

I would have resisted that adoptive parents could be like that Jabe but I do agree now.  As an adoptive mum I find it very difficult to be disloyal to others who have been through a similar experience. I agree it is not about the adoptive parent, not at all, it's all about the child and I suppose for some people that will always come more easily as any kind of parent. 

My kids would never do a thing we may have wanted them to do and still don't but we're really proud of them for being them.

[lookout]

They're individuals Maggie,not puppets.

[Adam]

It does seem amazing that Julie would tell five people before the police. But she did.

If Jeremy was innocent he would be grieving and in shock. So why would she tell people what Jeremy had said if it was lies ?   She was his girlfriend.

There was no financial incentive for her to lie to other people. Or the police. The financial incentive was staying with Jeremy.

When making big decisions people often ask other peoples opinions beforehand.  Julie was no different. The only person she had spoken to was Jeremy, who told her in uncertain terms to stay silent. So she spoke to five other people.

Time to apologise to Julie ?

[maggie]

They're individuals Maggie,not puppets.

I think I know that Lookout but I do believe there is a lot of truth in the new understanding about adoption trauma.  I have never thought m children were anything but individual.

[Jane]

I would have resisted that adoptive parents could be like that Jabe but I do agree now.  As an adoptive mum I find it very difficult to be disloyal to others who have been through a similar experience. I agree it is not about the adoptive parent, not at all, it's all about the child and I suppose for some people that will always come more easily as any kind of parent. 

My kids would never do a thing we may have wanted them to do and still don't but we're really proud of them for being them.

And there lays the clear and ABSOLUTE difference between unconditional love and love with parental strings attached.

[David1819]

It does seem amazing that Julie would tell five people before the police. But she did.

If Jeremy was innocent he would be grieving and in shock. So why would she tell people what Jeremy had said if it was lies ?   She was his girlfriend.

Gossip and rumour

[Jan]

One observation is that she never revealed anything about the crime that the police ,the family and herself did not already know. Not one thing . Not how he got rid of the clothes , his transport etc etc. Why was the moderator in the cupboard , why Sheila complied with being shot. Its almost like she was talking about a crime with a hitman that they thought had happened.

[susan]

One observation is that she never revealed anything about the crime that the police ,the family and herself did not already know. Not one thing . Not how he got rid of the clothes , his transport etc etc. Why was the moderator in the cupboard , why Sheila complied with being shot. Its almost like she was talking about a crime with a hitman that they thought had happened.

Hello Jan

very interesting points you have made Jan she never told them anything they did not already know and the other issues are not known 30 years on.

[Steve_uk]

I think she did say that a glove came off in the fight. Also her testimony about the first plan to burn the Farm down is corroborated indirectly by Charles Marsden,whom Jeremy told at the Frog and Beans in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down everything would be mine".

[Steve_uk]

She did say that a glove came off in the fight. Also her testimony about the first plan to burn the Farm down is corroborated indirectly by Charles Marsden,whom Jeremy told at the Frog and Beans in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down everything would be mine".

[David1819]

I think she did say that a glove came off in the fight. Also her testimony about the first plan to burn the Farm down is corroborated indirectly by Charles Marsden,whom Jeremy told at the Frog and Beans in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down everything would be mine".

I don't think that means anything. How can we be sure Jeremy said those precise words? plus you would have to assume he was meaning his entire family burned down with it

[susan]

I think she did say that a glove came off in the fight. Also her testimony about the first plan to burn the Farm down is corroborated indirectly by Charles Marsden,whom Jeremy told at the Frog and Beans in Autumn 1984 that "if the Farm burned down everything would be mine".

steve I think you are right about the glove and about burning the farm down also she did give him her sleeping pills so she must have had a clue what he was planning.