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[susan]

What 20 year old is going to imagine the man of her dreams isn't going to stay with her. There's no doubt that he was out to impress. On their first date -FIRST DATE!!!- he introduced her to his parents. That's big time serious. Men don't usually introduce girls to their parents unless they have something more than bed in mind. So she saw what Jeremy, as the heir, was likely to inherit and I guess she wanted to be part of it. What's with your concern regarding her doing degrees. Plenty do them with no intention of using them to get careers. To some it's a hobby.

Unlikely, had Jeremy taken over from his father, that they'd have stayed in the cottage.

I think that what she saw in the way of house, properties, land and social standing would have meant more to Julie than money alone.

Jeremy may have done poorly at Gresham's but the point is, he WENT to Gresham's.

You do a hell of a lot of "Yeh, but's" when it comes to Julie's relationship with Jeremy but she FANCIED him, Adam, and I guess she thought they were in it for the long haul. Like the girl proudly told the world from the pages of NOTW "He taught me sex like I'd never known"

Jane

that is an excellent post and just about sums Julie and her aspirations up.

[Jane]

Jane

that is an excellent post and just about sums Julie and her aspirations up.

Awww THANKS Susan. I do -GENUINELY- believe that Julie thought she'd got it all and what girl of her age wouldn't have. There was this drop dead gorgeous fella that all the other girls fancied, he takes her to meet his parents -on their first date- who live in a house which screams "old money"!!! which presmable Jeremy will inherit!!! Who wouldn't have dreamed of being part of it, FGS?

[Adam]

What 20 year old is going to imagine the man of her dreams isn't going to stay with her. There's no doubt that he was out to impress. On their first date -FIRST DATE!!!- he introduced her to his parents. That's big time serious. Men don't usually introduce girls to their parents unless they have something more than bed in mind. So she saw what Jeremy, as the heir, was likely to inherit and I guess she wanted to be part of it. What's with your concern regarding her doing degrees. Plenty do them with no intention of using them to get careers. To some it's a hobby.

Unlikely, had Jeremy taken over from his father, that they'd have stayed in the cottage.

I think that what she saw in the way of house, properties, land and social standing would have meant more to Julie than money alone.

Jeremy may have done poorly at Gresham's but the point is, he WENT to Gresham's.

You do a hell of a lot of "Yeh, but's" when it comes to Julie's relationship with Jeremy but she FANCIED him, Adam, and I guess she thought they were in it for the long haul. Like the girl proudly told the world from the pages of NOTW "He taught me sex like I'd never known"

Supporters that have turned to guilters still have it for Julie. Caroline calling her a cow and saying she was just as greedy as Bamber. Maggie saying she was not naive and Susan saying she was hard. You said you have never liked her after seeing her and MM's court outfits.

It was a simple, normal relationship. Nothing sinister. Until Bamber killed his family and dragged Julie into 30+ years of abuse and stress.

They met at Sloppy Joe's and dated for 18 months. Both working. Julie studying for her second degree and wanting to be a teacher. June offered to buy Julie a house. Julie declined. To suggest Julie was with a farm labourer just for his potential in 20 years is fanciful.

Bamber testified the relationship started coming to a close  during the six months leading up to the massacre. Although he still trusted her enough to involve her in the caravan break in and massacre plans.

At 20 and 24, they both had plenty of time to date, or be single once the inevitable spilt happened. At only 20 it is doubtful Julie was looking for a rich man to look after her. Teachers can make a good living and she obviously enjoyed it.

Julie was living in digs in Lewisham.  Her life suddenly changed for ever after Bamber whisked her over to WHF after the massacre. Before she could catch breath she was being taken all over England as well as to Amsterdam on jolly ups . Before telling five people what she knew and approaching the police, after one month.

But the xxxx xxxxxx on here will always believe Julie was just with Bamber for the money.

[Jane]

Supporters that have turned to guilters still have it for Julie. Caroline calling her a cow and saying she was just as greedy as Bamber. Maggie saying she was not naive and Susan saying she was hard. You said you have never liked her after seeing her and MM's court outfits.

It is simple relationship. Nothing sinister. Until Bamber killed his family and dragged Julie into 30+ years of abuse and stress.

They met at Sloppy Joe's and dated for 18 months. Both working. Julie studying for her second degree and wanting to be a teacher. June offered to buy Julie a house. Julie declined. To suggest Julie was with a farm labourer just for his potential in 20 years is fanciful.

Bamber testified the relationship started coming to a close  during the six months leading up to the massacre. Although he still trusted her enough to involve her in the caravan break in and massacre plans.

At 20 and 24, they both had plenty of time to date, or be single once the inevitable spilt happened. At only 20 it is doubtful Julie was looking for a rich man to look after her.

Julie was living in digs in Lewisham.  Her life suddenly changed for ever after Bamber whisked her over to WHF after the massacre. Before she could catch breath she was being taken all over England as well as to Amsterdam on jolly ups . Before telling five people and approaching the police.

But the dear ladies on here will always believe Julie was just with Bamber for the money.

Adam, whilst you see people generally as nothing deeper than one dimensional cardboard cut outs without hopes, desires or motivations, it makes, very difficult and sadly not worthwhile, trying to hold a conversation with you.

[Adam]

Adam, whilst you see people generally as nothing deeper than one dimensional cardboard cut outs without hopes, desires or motivations, it makes, very difficult and sadly not worthwhile, trying to hold a conversation with you.

Julie did have hopes. She wanted to be a teacher. And was studying for her second degree.

To suggest she was studying as a hobby and just wanted to live off Bamber is offensive to her and there is no evidence of this.

[Adam]

One thing people are forgetting is Julie may have loved Bamber. Which is why they were together. It does happen.

Nothing to do with being her being greedy.

[Jan]

Thought it was just the 1984 minor cheque book fraud.

Bamber admitted the caravan break in was his idea. To highlight security problems. Although it is likely he did it out of greed. Admitting himself he spent the money due to greed. Julie was probably dragged along and told to stand outside.

It seems the ladies on here really don't like Julie. Caroline calling her a cow yesterday and saying she was as greedy as Bamber. April hasn't liked her since seeing Julie's and MM's court outfits.

Miller called her an honest and nice person. But he would, wouldn't he.

you are like a broken record.

Its not a matter of liking someone or not liking someone  it is a matter of not accepting her reasons for not reporting Jeremy immediately . She was not a shrinking violet was she ? 

[Jane]

Julie did have hopes. She wanted to be a teacher. And was studying for her second degree.

To suggest she was studying as a hobby and just wanted to live off Bamber is offensive to her and there is no evidence of this.

But I'm NOT suggesting she wanted to live OFF Jeremy, merely that she have liked what every wife has the right to expect and it may not have occurred to you but there are plenty of schools where she could have taught in and around the area where Jeremy lived, but if she'd never used it, no one can take education away.

[Jan]

Yes, a farmers heir. Well along with Sheila and the twins. In 20 years. Unless disinherited. Which was a big possibility even MM knew about.

Yes, at 19/20 she would have an eye on marriage. Don't want to be left on the shelf now. Bamber's a real catch and she couldn't possibly do better.

No concept of hundreds of thousands of pounds ? She was doing her second degree. Maggie said she was not naive.

No doubts about his status ? Yes Jeremy did moan a lot about his raw deal having to sit on a tractor.

What exotic places did Bamber take her to ? Amsterdam after the massacre. 

She would have maybe dated a fellow student. But met Jeremy at 'Sloppy Joe's'. She must have been impressed with his status and dress then. Waiters with badges must be a turn on.

Second degree ? So clever enough to know that her crimes could have prevented her from pursuing her chosen career and also intelligent enough to know that if your boyfriend has told you for months he wants to kill his family and then tells you the day after the murders he has hired a hit man - then you should go to the police.

that is why I don't think what she says is true - but you are right she could be clever and stupid at the same time I suppose ?

[Jane]

One thing people are forgetting is Julie may have loved Bamber. Which is why they were together. It does happen.

Nothing to do with being her being greedy.

Perfectly possible for greedy people to fall in love. The greed will have developed long before they meet their love interest.

[Jane]

Thought it was just the 1984 minor cheque book fraud.

Bamber admitted the caravan break in was his idea. To highlight security problems. Although it is likely he did it out of greed. Admitting himself he spent the money due to greed. Julie was probably dragged along and told to stand outside.

It seems the ladies on here really don't like Julie. Caroline calling her a cow yesterday and saying she was as greedy as Bamber. April hasn't liked her since seeing Julie's and MM's court outfits.

Miller called her an honest and nice person. But he would, wouldn't he.

To be honest, I see little about Julie to recommend her, with or without the clothes she wore to court. Even if her pre court behaviour can be overlooked, her post court behaviour certainly can't.

[Jan]

One thing people are forgetting is Julie may have loved Bamber. Which is why they were together. It does happen.

Nothing to do with being her being greedy.

Nobody ever said she did not love him  and I know of people who do make all sorts of excuses for peoples bad behaviour during a relationship ( trust me I do) But there is a limit and telling someone you arranged the murder of 6 year old twins is one of them .

[susan]

One thing people are forgetting is Julie may have loved Bamber. Which is why they were together. It does happen.

Nothing to do with being her being greedy.

Adam
I think Julie was in love with what Bamber was well spoken,well educated good family background and heir to property and money it appears even when she knew he had murdered his family it did not worry her too much when she was told he was guilty of the murders she changed her tune and thought of Julie first second and third.

[lookout]

The prosecutors correspondence with EP had placed blame on Jeremy for all Julie's misdemeanors and added by saying that Jeremy was the instigator of all her crimes as all had been committed during her involvement with Jeremy. That she had been corrupted by Jeremy Bamber.

There was no direct evidence to justify that JM be prosecuted for the drugs offence. As a first offender she'd only have received a caution.

JM was only classed as the bystander in the burglary of the caravan site office as she couldn't reach the key to the door.

As for the cheque offence,the money was paid back and the bank wouldn't have been prepared to have continued criminal proceedings.

With this in mind it was decided not to prosecute her as she will be required as a witness against JB.


Was the prosecution right to make light of JM's crimes ? Was JM the whiter than white person as seen by the prosecution ? After all,they must have been right in their assumptions,they were the law !

[Jan]

Except for the newspaper interview I guess she has never spoken since ? So we don't really know much about her feelings since do we?