New video on the bike:

[scipio_usmc]

The Queen has the power to pardon people. However I doubt she will ever use it

I would say a snowball's chance in hell...

4 since WWII and they all seem to have been politically motivated including one I consider worthless because it was posthumous.

[Adam]

You've got to admire his cheek.

Believing his case is such a MOJ that he deserves to be the fifth person in about 70 years to get a pardon. Which would mean everyone else was wrong.

[Adam]

I wonder if it is common practice for lawyers to request pardons for their clients ?

It seems that a long letter is all that is required. There is nothing to lose. Requesting a pardon suggests they are innocent and the courts have got it wrong. It also creates publicity.

[lookout]

Yes,and it wouldn't be the first time that the courts have been wrong,would it ?

[Adam]

Someone on Red made an interesting point. Saying Bamber could have cycled to and from WHF on the roads.

There would be no cars at that time. Bews said the only car they passed when going to WHF was Bamber's.

Any cars that were on the roads Bamber would have plenty of time to hide from. Seeing the car headlights and hearing it from a distance.

Another option ?

[maggie]

Someone on Red made an interesting point. Saying Bamber could have cycled to and from WHF on the roads.

There would be no cars at that time. Bews said the only car they passed when going to WHF was Bamber's.

Any cars that were on the roads Bamber would have plenty of time to hide from. Seeing the car headlights and hearing it from a distance.

Another option ?

No one would deny it's a possibility but it's a big risk, was he up . To more risk than necessary or didn't he worry? Country roads are unpredictable at night you may not see anyone or you may hit a walker in dark clothing before you see them. Remember it's pitch black.

[lookout]

Say the chain broke ?  Or you got a puncture ?  ( laughing like the Cadbury Smash advert )

[Jan]

Someone on Red made an interesting point. Saying Bamber could have cycled to and from WHF on the roads.

There would be no cars at that time. Bews said the only car they passed when going to WHF was Bamber's.

Any cars that were on the roads Bamber would have plenty of time to hide from. Seeing the car headlights and hearing it from a distance.

Another option ?

he would still be taking a very risky option - just because there were no cars in that journey does not mean there were no cars at the time he went to and from the house . Like I said he had to make a plan to get rid of clothing /shoes on the way back ( he would not know how much blood would be on him ) He would only need one person to see him and the whole plan would be done for. Or his neighbours hear him entering the house etc.   He would have to have lights on his bike and then jump into a hedge and turn the lights off at the same time - don't you think that might be a bit obvious?

We can make up all sorts of scenarios but the facts are - not one person saw him on his journey there or back. Not one person found any discarded clothes or shoes. There was no evidence on the bike . The police were round his house immediately and saw nothing suspicious . Anne was watching him like a hawk.

That does not mean he was not clever and did the journey and got rid of things - but it means that any suggestions about what he did or how he did it  are assumptions or scenarios - nothing more than that.

There are lots of things that are possibilities but it does not mean they are true.

And that goes for the opposite side of the arguments as well. Just to be fair.

[Jane]

Someone on Red made an interesting point. Saying Bamber could have cycled to and from WHF on the roads.

There would be no cars at that time. Bews said the only car they passed when going to WHF was Bamber's.

Any cars that were on the roads Bamber would have plenty of time to hide from. Seeing the car headlights and hearing it from a distance.

Another option ?

I think you need to know the road before making such sweeping statements. Of course there ARE "hiding places" but there are also front gardens aplenty and where there are front gardens there are houses and where there are houses....................some risks would have HAD to be taken. I think the main road may have been a risk too far.

[maggie]

he would still be taking a very risky option - just because there were no cars in that journey does not mean there were no cars at the time he went to and from the house . Like I said he had to make a plan to get rid of clothing /shoes on the way back ( he would not know how much blood would be on him ) He would only need one person to see him and the whole plan would be done for. Or his neighbours hear him entering the house etc.   He would have to have lights on his bike and then jump into a hedge and turn the lights off at the same time - don't you think that might be a bit obvious?

We can make up all sorts of scenarios but the facts are - not one person saw him on his journey there or back. Not one person found any discarded clothes or shoes. There was no evidence on the bike . The police were round his house immediately and saw nothing suspicious . Anne was watching him like a hawk.

That does not mean he was not clever and did the journey and got rid of things - but it means that any suggestions about what he did or how he did it  are assumptions or scenarios - nothing more than that.

There are lots of things that are possibilities but it does not mean they are true.

And that goes for the opposite side of the arguments as well. Just to be fair.

Well said jan, excellent reply

[lookout]

There could also have been regular movement of tractors,etc as it was harvest-time and they tend to set out early,as do the farmers themselves.
Jeremy wouldn't have chosen the busiest time of the year when workers make an early appearance to various farms,including WHF.

[maggie]

I think you need to know the road before making such sweeping statements. Of course there ARE "hiding places" but there are also front gardens aplenty and where there are front gardens there are houses and where there are houses....................some risks would have HAD to be taken. I think the main road may have been a risk too far.

That's interesting Jane because I always imagined the road to be a dark deserted place not with houses and gardens, that makes it extremely risky anyone could have looked out of a window apart from anything else. 

[Jan]

And I think poachers about - I still think that was the lamps in the fields and the scruffy man scenario .

[Adam]

he would still be taking a very risky option - just because there were no cars in that journey does not mean there were no cars at the time he went to and from the house . Like I said he had to make a plan to get rid of clothing /shoes on the way back ( he would not know how much blood would be on him ) He would only need one person to see him and the whole plan would be done for. Or his neighbours hear him entering the house etc.   He would have to have lights on his bike and then jump into a hedge and turn the lights off at the same time - don't you think that might be a bit obvious?

We can make up all sorts of scenarios but the facts are - not one person saw him on his journey there or back. Not one person found any discarded clothes or shoes. There was no evidence on the bike . The police were round his house immediately and saw nothing suspicious . Anne was watching him like a hawk.

That does not mean he was not clever and did the journey and got rid of things - but it means that any suggestions about what he did or how he did it  are assumptions or scenarios - nothing more than that.

There are lots of things that are possibilities but it does not mean they are true.

And that goes for the opposite side of the arguments as well. Just to be fair.

Why would he have to get rid of clothing on the way back ? He wasn't a suspect for a month. His clothes may be free of blood anyway. Leaving clothes lying around  between his place and WHF is too risky.

There has already been a closure thread on the disposal of the clothes.

I believe he cycled cross country. But if behind on time he may have gone some or all of the way on the roads to catch up on time. Avoiding being seen.

He would not need the bike lights on if travelling by road.

As I said, another option.

[Jane]

That's interesting Jane because I always imagined the road to be a dark deserted place not with houses and gardens, that makes it extremely risky anyone could have looked out of a window apart from anything else.

Maggie, it's quite a distance, there are numerous bends, houses right on the road, houses with short front gardens and houses with longer front gardens and there are open fields with ditches. There ARE side lanes but what might be the chances of him being near enough to hide in one OR how many ditches might he have had to jump into?