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[lookout]

Isn't it grounds enough that the man has been locked up for 30 years and is surely entitled to know what's been hidden ?

[scipio_usmc]

Isn't it grounds enough that the man has been locked up for 30 years and is surely entitled to know what's been hidden ?

We are entitled to know things that are incriminatory and exculpatory not everything.  This is based on our entire system which says you have the right to know all evidence to be used against you in advance so you can prepare to deal with it and the right to all evidence that clears you so that you can use it to your advantage.  Legislatures get to decide what things other than this we are entitled to know.  The Courts won't let legislatures eliminate the requirement to provide all incriminatory and exculpatory evidence but does respect their right to decide what beyond that must be made known.


   

[Adam]

After 30 years, a long trial, two appeals, one CCRC application and apparently millions of documents in Bamber's prison cell, you would think Trudie would have some specific things to discuss.

But no, it was the alleged missing documents. Again.

[lookout]

So what's wrong with the fact that Trudi mentioned missing documents ?

[Adam]

So what's wrong with the fact that Trudi mentioned missing documents ?

She's saying all the released evidence shows guilt. As she does not discuss it. Only alleged stuff no one has seen.

No one is sure if there are unreleased documents. One minute there is, the next there isn't.

If there are unreleased documents, the best supporters can hope for is a missed dotted 'i' or crossed 'T'. They can then go for a technicality.

There is no way any alleged unreleased documents will outweigh the already released evidence that shows guilt.

[Jan]

The CCRC and appeal courts will just follow the evidence.

But yes a released Bamber would make a good living. Which is a reason he has always campaigned.

At 25 upon conviction, he could afford to wait years for success.

That is nothing but pure assumption on your behalf. And would depend on how he was released and whether or not compensation was paid . And IF he had been jailed for 30 years and he was innocent and received no compensation then personally I would not blame him if he wrote a book about his experiences .

[Adam]

That is nothing but pure assumption on your behalf. And would depend on how he was released and whether or not compensation was paid . And IF he had been jailed for 30 years and he was innocent and received no compensation then personally I would not blame him if he wrote a book about his experiences .

You keep saying that when I post.

Firstly it is wrong -

Bamber was 25 upon conviction. FACT.

Time was on his side. FACT.

The CCRC and appeal courts make decisions upon evidence. FACT.

Some of the rest is assumption. But this is an internet forum. People are allowed to give opinions.

My opinion is Bamber knew if it took him 10 years to get out on a technicality, he would only be 35. He may get compensation and may be able to go after the inheritance money. If not he can do the media circuit. Or he could get both and still do the media circuit. Actually most of this is also FACT. 

As it happened, he remained inside after ten years (FACT). but his campaigning had become a way of life. So he wasn't going to stop (ASSUMPTION). 

[lookout]

That's always supposing that the CCRC and appeal courts obtain ALL evidence !?

[Jan]

You keep saying that when I post.

Firstly it is wrong -

Bamber was 25 upon conviction. FACT.

Time was on his side. FACT.

The CCRC and appeal courts make decisions upon evidence. FACT.

Some of the rest is assumption. But this is an internet forum. People are allowed to give opinions.

My opinion is Bamber knew if it took him 10 years to get out on a technicality, he would only be 35. He may get compensation and may be able to go after the inheritance money. If not he can do the media circuit. Or he could get both and still do the media circuit. Actually most of this is also FACT. 

As it happened, he remained inside after ten years (FACT). but his campaigning had become a way of life. So he wasn't going to stop (ASSUMPTION).

You said the reason he was campaigning was to make money when he came out - Assumption.

[Adam]

'The CCRC and appeal courts will just follow the evidence. 

But yes a released Bamber would make a good living. Which is a reason he has always campaigned. 

At 25 upon conviction, he could afford to wait years for success.'


That was my quote. It says 'a reason'. He testified himself he likes the good things in life. So if he thought he would be rich upon acquittal, it would motivate him.

[Jan]

'The CCRC and appeal courts will just follow the evidence.

But yes a released Bamber would make a good living. Which is a reason he has always campaigned.

At 25 upon conviction, he could afford to wait years for success.'


That was my quote. It says 'a reason'. He testified himself he likes the good things in life. So if he thought he would be rich upon acquittal, it would motivate him.

well he would need to be because if it was ruled at the time of the trial it was a fair verdict even if new evidence appeared he probably would not get compensation . But I would think freedom is enough to motivate anyone.

[scipio_usmc]

well he would need to be because if it was ruled at the time of the trial it was a fair verdict even if new evidence appeared he probably would not get compensation . But I would think freedom is enough to motivate anyone.

If he were released now he would live off of his supporters until he inked a book deal then he would leave them high and dry.

[lookout]

If he were released now he would live off of his supporters until he inked a book deal then he would leave them high and dry.

He wouldn't need to " live off his supporters " at all,the media would be breaking their necks to get a story.

[Jan]

If he were released now he would live off of his supporters until he inked a book deal then he would leave them high and dry.

Whats happened to you scipio - giving opinions instead of facts - you are sounding quite bitter?

Do you know as a fact how many of his supporters have given money and how many just time?

Just wondered? I only know of one person who was complaining of being "fleeced" by him.

[notsure]

How do Bamber's lawyers know the police are withholding documents ?

Have they gone to Scotland Yard, seen the boxes labelled 'Jeremy Bamber' and asked to borrow them. But the police said 'no' ?

They say they want original documents or WS's. What's the difference if an original document has been photocopied ?

Original WS's are useless. Everyone has the right to make several WS's before agreeing for it to be submitted pre trial.

I think Adam the campaign team know the police are holding documents under pii as the information in the documents he has refer to documents he doesnt have.

Does that make sense! If you receive a letter and it refers to something that you havent got what do you do?

He does have a right now I think to see any missing documents.