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[scipio_usmc]

They will only get compensation if the cases become closed and they find the real killer with the execption if the killer is them ofcourse.

The measure of whether they deserve compensation is that there is absolute evidence of their innocence, evidence of government wrongdoing that lead to an unjust conviction pr there was no rational basis to try them because there was no prima facie case. If the Knox trial happened in the UK then that would be an example of a case where compensation would be due because there was no prima facie case for an indictment and should not have even been a trial.  But the UK's system is too strong to even allow such a stupid prosecution to occur in the first place which is why there are no comparable examples actually happening.  No MOJs correspond to the situation that existed in the Knox case.  The Knox case is one of those WTF just happened cases.  They are exceedingly rare in commonlaw jurisdictions.  Moreover, people don't rot in prison for a year till charges are filed like in Italy. The charges have to be filed and there is a right to a speedy trial.  When people got out of prison after years it most often is because a change in key witness testimony.  DNA evidence has resulted in quite a number being freed but still a change in testimony is likely king in the total scoreboard.  Since DNA testing is routine modern conviction are unlikely to be overturned based on DNA evidence it is still possible but not very likely.  A change in witness testimony will thus remain the biggest culpret of overturned convictions.   If the government got a witness to lie then the government is responsible and compensation is due.  If the person lied on their own they are not a victim of the government and it is harder to justify getting compensation.     

 
 

[Adam]

How do Bamber's lawyers know the police are withholding documents ?

Have they gone to Scotland Yard, seen the boxes labelled 'Jeremy Bamber' and asked to borrow them. But the police said 'no' ?

They say they want original documents or WS's. What's the difference if an original document has been photocopied ?

Original WS's are useless. Everyone has the right to make several WS's before agreeing for it to be submitted pre trial.

[guest154]

Trudie is going on about the old chestnut of missing documents. Saying she wants the originals.

She is even claiming Neville called the police.

Isn't the man speaking the same man that wrote the Spectator article - Leo Mckinstrey ?

If she wants to ruin her reputation, she seems to be succeeding.  I do somewhat agree with your opinion that attention plays a part.

[Jane]

How do Bamber's lawyers know the police are withholding documents ?

Have they gone to Scotland Yard, seen the boxes labelled 'Jeremy Bamber' and asked to borrow them. But the police said 'no' ?

They say they want original documents or WS's. What's the difference if an original document has been photocopied ?

Original WS's are useless. Everyone has the right to make several WS's before agreeing for it to be submitted pre trial.

I can quite see that if the original WS varies greatly from the last there will be screams about coercion..................................however, what exactly is counted as the original? Is it first one ever OR is is the original of the final statement?

[Adam]

I can quite see that if the original WS varies greatly from the last there will be screams about coercion..................................however, what exactly is counted as the original? Is it first one ever OR is is the original of the final statement?

Well the final WS's of nearly all the witnesses are on line for everyone.

Having the originals of these will not say anything different.

Having Julie's first WS draft will not help him. It can't be used in an appeal and is unlikely to say she is lying because he jilted her.

[Adam]

Trudie Benjamin says the jury only heard half the evidence. How would she know ? Bamber had the best defence available who had a year to get their case together.

She then says he's lost two appeals. Forgetting the CCRC judgement. And says appeals give a very narrow opportunity. I thought the defendant dictates what an appeal will include.

[lookout]

I can't stand McKinstrey and I can't stand Tatchell,so I'm off to a good start aren't I ?

[Adam]

Tatchell is supporting Bamber. Saying the police have evidence they are holding.

Is Tatchell just getting this information from supporters ?

Caroline, CAL, Lookout and Jan said Bamber has all documents.

Whatever happens, supporters can and will always claim the police are withholding evidence.

[lookout]

 I couldn't care less who's supporting who,I still don't like Tatchell. Never have. McKinstrey,McKenzie and Ferrari are all out of the same stable so far as twisted journalism ( who think they know everything ) goes.

[scipio_usmc]

If you think that's bad look into this case. Police got word from a psychic medium that it was him. that led to Johnny Garrett being sentenced to death

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Garrett

That case like the Bamber case suffers from supporters posting lies.  Those lies include:

1) that the hair at the scene was matched to Reuda

2) That fingerprints at the scene was matched to Rueda

3) that police looked at him because of a clairvoyant.  In fact they looked at him because he was seen spying in elderly windows and his prints ended up matching

There is no proof Rueda confessed to killing the nun.  A supporter alleges he got him to confess, whether he really did confess who knows but we also don't know what he was offered in exchange. 

Hair consistent with Garrett's public hair was found on the victim. Garrett's excuse for the his prints being on the nun's headboard and knife found under the bed failed to hold water.  He claimed he leaned on the bed to steal a cross but there was no cross there to steal. Similarly no items were missing for him to have stolen like he claimed.  Worse the door was locked and people around at the time he claims to have simply walked in and rummaged room to room.  Supporters made up that his prints were found all over the convent later saying if police checked for prints they would have been found. He claimed he stole the knives from the convent but the steak knife was from his own kitchen. He dropped the steak knife while running away.

Garrett threatened to kill people including a teacher. Defense experts who examined him said he was crazy with multiple personalities and confessed to raping the nun.

[Steve_uk]

"The evidence..I wish I could talk about it.." (8min 30)

Michael I wish you would.

[lookout]

What's that about Steve ?

[Steve_uk]

Oh Michael O' Brien on the Bamber case,the start of this thread. He received £650,000 after 11 years wrongful incarceration. Of course no money is worth the deprivation of your liberty for such a period of time.

[Jan]

Tatchell is supporting Bamber. Saying the police have evidence they are holding.

Is Tatchell just getting this information from supporters ?

Caroline, CAL, Lookout and Jan said Bamber has all documents.

Whatever happens, supporters can and will always claim the police are withholding evidence.

very funny Adam

[David1819]

How do Bamber's lawyers know the police are withholding documents ?

I think the Lawyers can find out what has been filed under PII

Have they gone to Scotland Yard, seen the boxes labelled 'Jeremy Bamber' and asked to borrow them. But the police said 'no' ?

Actually something like this has happened. His Legal team wanted more photographs and they refused to hand them over twice the CCRC had to try and force the police to hand them over. If I remember correctly a deal was eventually made where they could see them but not keep them or take them away