The Murders at White House Farm - By Carol Ann Lee (A Taster!)

[Caroline]

But that has nothing to do with the point I made, Lookout. Simply saying "But I know she wouldn't/couldn't have, either way" not only smacks of sour grapes, it doesn't address how your reaction may have been if an author stated very clearly that they believed Jeremy was innocent. However vehement you may be about his innocence, your belief alone won't get him out. You need the back up of those whose voices can be heard. As of now, they seem to be in short supply.

The only people coming up with so called new excus ....opps I mean 'evidence' is Jeremy and the CT. Now they have the PII stuff, there is little they can claim and if they can't come up with anything NEW for any intended submissions then this is the last chance saloon.

Two writers studied the case, one started off thinking he was innocent - they BOTH concluded he's guilty. None of this will help his cause.

[Jane]

Didn't think much of that article to be honest.  It does raise doubts in the reader's mind as to Bamber's moral character and psychology. But this is achieved by an accumulated mud-slinging - throwing stones at waterhen chicks etc.  Now it could be that people genuinely did witness incidents of behaviour over the years that caused them concern... but it's stil not a very balanced article.   If she had wanted to intelligently convince people of Bamber's guilt, she could have worked with journalists regarding the exposure of genuine police mistakes that have explanations which are not sinister.  Though I think that would be a more risky strategy, as it's an area generally mired in controversy.

She could certainly find her knuckles rapped for taking that path but I take your point about her saying he was cruel to animals. I COULD be another of those tales akin to the non existent meter man and the non existent visit to the monastery.

[Caroline]

Didn't think much of that article to be honest.  It does raise doubts in the reader's mind as to Bamber's moral character and psychology. But this is achieved by an accumulated mud-slinging - throwing stones at waterhen chicks etc.  Now it could be that people genuinely did witness incidents of behaviour over the years that caused them concern... but it's stil not a very balanced article.   If she had wanted to intelligently convince people of Bamber's guilt, she could have worked with journalists regarding the exposure of genuine police mistakes that have explanations which are not sinister.  Though I think that would be a more risky strategy, as it's an area generally mired in controversy.

I guess she doesn't want to give too much of the book away. I'm sure that's not the only reason why she believes he's guilty.

[Jane]

The only people coming up with so called new excus ....opps I mean 'evidence' is Jeremy and the CT. Now they have the PII stuff, there is little they can claim and if they can't come up with anything NEW for any intended submissions then this is the last chance saloon.

Two writers studied the case, one started off thinking he was innocent - they BOTH concluded he's guilty. None of this will help his cause.

It'll be interesting to read PH's take on it but I hope he can come up with something other than a replication of what CAL has said.

[lookout]

Going along those lines we may just as well open the prison doors of every psychopath who's ever been convicted of murder.

A problem with a lot of people is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

[lookout]

So CAL has " re-investigated ? What,exactly ?

[Caroline]

So CAL has " re-investigated ? What,exactly ?

Only a guess this mind but, I'd say she went through the evidence and spoke to those involved?  She also discussed the case with Jeremy and found much the same as I did.

[lookout]

An author who goes above and beyond a retired detective ? Another former police officer and investigative journalist ? The woman must have spent most of her time with the relatives I imagine !

[Caroline]

An author who goes above and beyond a retired detective ? Another former police officer and investigative journalist ? The woman must have spent most of her time with the relatives I imagine !

Well, I doubt that but read the book - you might learn something to your advantage. I suspect you won't read either.

[lookout]

Well, I doubt that but read the book - you might learn something to your advantage. I suspect you won't read either.

Oh I'll buy it and read it,as afterall, it's only her verdict.

[Jane]

A problem with a lot of people is going from the sublime to the ridiculous.

What makes Jeremy different, Lookout. Surely what you are saying of him others have the same right to.

[lookout]

What makes Jeremy different, Lookout. Surely what you are saying of him others have the same right to.

Yes---------------and ?

[Caroline]

Oh I'll buy it and read it,as afterall, it's only her verdict.

and the verdict of the court!

[lookout]

and the verdict of the court!

Do you always believe the courts ? Dearie me.

[Jane]

Do you always believe the courts ? Dearie me.

Just like you do, Lookout. When we think it appropriate