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Offline maggie

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #210 on: July 01, 2015, 04:18:PM »




I know,Mat,earlier on in his sentence,  which I wouldn't mind betting it was when he was organising another submission. I must find that out.
Hi lookout  that was me, not mat  ;D ;D

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #211 on: July 01, 2015, 04:20:PM »
The relatives were hoodwinked by the police,but whether in time they realised this themselves,I don't know,but the moving of Jeremy to Wakefield has suspicious undertones as far as I'm concerned,as those inside don't have a cat-in-Hell's chance of ever being released,and this is EXACTLY why I think Jeremy was put there.To keep his gob shut once and for all.


Lookout dear, I feel perfectly confident that you find suspicious undertones in night following day. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #212 on: July 01, 2015, 04:21:PM »
You make massive assumptions, I have never suggested the family planted anything, I just said I find the whole episode of the finding, examining and collection of the moderator unconvincing.

Police say they didn't take it which means it would still be there at WHF.

The family say because police left it and the other items they found the items and notified police.

The police admit they were notified by the family and passed the message to the detectives

Jones said he received the message from the clerical workers and ended up going to Oak Farm and decided to take it

Because it was late Jones and crime scene officers were gone Jones waited until the next day to give it to them, turning it over to Cook.

Cook says he took it to the lab on August 13 which is confirmed by the lab and documentation. There is documentation proving the lab notified police about the finding of human blood on/in it and paint on the knurled end. 

As a result on August 14 police were sent to WHF to take paint samples and find the source of the paint.  Ann Eaton says she was phoned by them and asked to allow them entry to take the sample which she did.

What is problematic with this account?  There is various evidence which establishes certain things happened for sure like the lab testing on the date in question and the passing of the results to police the next day.  COLP had records of such and used such records to question the police.   
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #213 on: July 01, 2015, 04:22:PM »
Hi lookout  that was me, not mat  ;D ;D





Must be the heat,Maggie. ;D ;D ;D-sorry.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #214 on: July 01, 2015, 04:25:PM »

Lookout dear, I feel perfectly confident that you find suspicious undertones in night following day. ;D ;D ;D





My middle name is wary. ;D ;D ;D If something's too good to be true and all that.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #215 on: July 01, 2015, 04:29:PM »




My middle name is wary. ;D ;D ;D If something's too good to be true and all that.


I was going to ask if you've ever taken a leaf of faith, but I guess, in backing Jeremy, you've taken the biggest one you're ever likely to.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #216 on: July 01, 2015, 04:36:PM »




I know,Mat,earlier on in his sentence,  which I wouldn't mind betting it was when he was organising another submission. I must find that out.

It doesn't matter where he is to enter a submission - don't understand what you're getting at?
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #217 on: July 01, 2015, 05:01:PM »




Must be the heat,Maggie. ;D ;D ;D-sorry.
No probs, I'm boiling too. X

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #218 on: July 01, 2015, 05:04:PM »
Police say they didn't take it which means it would still be there at WHF.

The family say because police left it and the other items they found the items and notified police.

The police admit they were notified by the family and passed the message to the detectives

Jones said he received the message from the clerical workers and ended up going to Oak Farm and decided to take it

Because it was late Jones and crime scene officers were gone Jones waited until the next day to give it to them, turning it over to Cook.

Cook says he took it to the lab on August 13 which is confirmed by the lab and documentation. There is documentation proving the lab notified police about the finding of human blood on/in it and paint on the knurled end. 

As a result on August 14 police were sent to WHF to take paint samples and find the source of the paint.  Ann Eaton says she was phoned by them and asked to allow them entry to take the sample which she did.

What is problematic with this account?  There is various evidence which establishes certain things happened for sure like the lab testing on the date in question and the passing of the results to police the next day.  COLP had records of such and used such records to question the police.
I didn't mean you makemassive assumptions about the case but rather that I believe the family went around framing jeremy. I find the silencer event questionable .... the conflicting statements etc.
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #219 on: July 01, 2015, 05:19:PM »
I didn't mean you makemassive assumptions about the case but rather that I believe the family went around framing jeremy. I find the silencer event questionable .... the conflicting statements etc.

They agree on everything significant surrounding the finding.

A month or more later not remembering exactly where in the house everyone was at the time it was found is natural.  Cock was definitely there at the time they claim to have found it and doesn't deny that it was found or that he told them to take the items to Oak Farm.  Making such up would be quite silly since he would have denied it if untrue.


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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #220 on: July 01, 2015, 05:24:PM »
I didn't mean you makemassive assumptions about the case but rather that I believe the family went around framing jeremy. I find the silencer event questionable .... the conflicting statements etc.

Hello Maggie

If the family tried to frame Jeremy for the murders it is because they firmly believed he was guilty and they were so worried he would walk away a free man just my humble opinion :)

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #221 on: July 01, 2015, 06:01:PM »
They agree on everything significant surrounding the finding.

A month or more later not remembering exactly where in the house everyone was at the time it was found is natural.  Cock was definitely there at the time they claim to have found it and doesn't deny that it was found or that he told them to take the items to Oak Farm.  Making such up would be quite silly since he would have denied it if untrue.

Of course they do but they were unable to get their story straight. Even now you have BW stating that she saw the silencer with blood on it. I'm certainly not buying that.
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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #222 on: July 01, 2015, 06:21:PM »
Hello Maggie

If the family tried to frame Jeremy for the murders it is because they firmly believed he was guilty and they were so worried he would walk away a free man just my humble opinion :)

the though of him now being there landlord might have somthing to do with it.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #223 on: July 01, 2015, 06:23:PM »
the though of him now being there landlord might have somthing to do with it.

nugnug I am sure that came into it as well.

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Re: Ending the SJ/1 nonsense once and for all
« Reply #224 on: July 01, 2015, 06:23:PM »
Of course they do but they were unable to get their story straight. Even now you have BW stating that she saw the silencer with blood on it. I'm certainly not buying that.

if they dident see the silencer with blood on it why would they think it was of any significance.