Exhibits from the family

[lookout]

This is a contradiction Lookout;

He remembers things better now than then (on the one hand) but people keep diaries to remember things from the past? If people remember things from the past better NOW, why would anyone need to keep a diary? People don't remember things better years later - memory fades with time which is why the police like to take statements as soon as possible after an incident and they now conduct a 'cognitive' interview with a series of question to help the witness remember things like smells and other sensory information from the event because it aides memory.

People keep a diary so they won't/don't forget. Such as the one JM had which she foresaw in January was it ? My word,some forward thinking that was.

[Jane]

I'd imagine that the rules for liars would be to remember the things that matter-------like times,which have to be the most accurate when committing a crime such as murder. This is so you don't get caught by the way.
There are so many other factors too. First and foremost is your alibi. Where was Jeremy's ? He'd have sussed that one first if he'd have done it. Why wait until JM's back in London,or BC has gone to Greece ? I could have arranged things better myself.

Lookout, he GAVE himself an alibi. The alleged phone call from Neville was -supposed- proof that Neville was still alive at 3am and if Jeremy had been at home -in Goldhanger- taking the call, how could he have been at WHF shooting his family?

[Jan]

Of course when giving himself the alibi he knew that the police would not go in to rescue the children and also he knew they would not establish a time of death. Back to the old circle .The cleverest murderer or the most stupid for his later actions. All depends which angle you choose to look at it.

[Jane]

Of course when giving himself the alibi he knew that the police would not go in to rescue the children and also he knew they would not establish a time of death. Back to the old circle .The cleverest murderer or the most stupid for his later actions. All depends which angle you choose to look at it.

Quite right Jan. He absolutely didn't so he couldn't risk making the call to the police TOO early in case they did break in and it became obvious that Neville wouldn't have been able to make a call at 3am -let alone another at circa 3.20- on the grounds that he had been dead for some time. The longer he left it the harder it would be to accurately establish TOD. As it was, I don't believe it ever was.

[Caroline]

I'd imagine that the rules for liars would be to remember the things that matter-------like times,which have to be the most accurate when committing a crime such as murder. This is so you don't get caught by the way.
There are so many other factors too. First and foremost is your alibi. Where was Jeremy's ? He'd have sussed that one first if he'd have done it. Why wait until JM's back in London,or BC has gone to Greece ? I could have arranged things better myself.

Errr the phone call from his father.

[Caroline]

Of course when giving himself the alibi he knew that the police would not go in to rescue the children and also he knew they would not establish a time of death. Back to the old circle .The cleverest murderer or the most stupid for his later actions. All depends which angle you choose to look at it.

Which is why he played things down and didn't call 999. The police don't just steam on into a situation like that, it could do more harm than good.

[lookout]

Errr the phone call from his father.

It would be fine if it was believable by all,but it obviously wasn't enough to quench the thirst of the baying wolves. What I was getting at was another voice,a live one.

[Caroline]

It would be fine if it was believable by all,but it obviously wasn't enough to quench the thirst of the baying wolves. What I was getting at was another voice,a live one.

It was believed initially, it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

[lookout]

It's what you call tuff sh1t when nobody will believe you. I'd hate to be in that position/predicament where you know yourself what happened and what you did,then end up flummoxed because nobody else does,though how the Hell they'd know different if they weren't there,Lord knows.
Your word against that of the law----------it stinks.

[Caroline]

It's what you call tuff sh1t when nobody will believe you. I'd hate to be in that position/predicament where you know yourself what happened and what you did,then end up flummoxed because nobody else does,though how the Hell they'd know different if they weren't there,Lord knows.
Your word against that of the law----------it stinks.

No if you're guilty.

[Jane]

It would be fine if it was believable by all,but it obviously wasn't enough to quench the thirst of the baying wolves. What I was getting at was another voice,a live one.

It sounded perfectly reasonable and it's a VERY valid reason of exactly why, despite Mike saying otherwise, that the police were influenced by everything Jeremy said. But for other influences it may have lasted even longer.

[Jane]

It's what you call tuff sh1t when nobody will believe you. I'd hate to be in that position/predicament where you know yourself what happened and what you did,then end up flummoxed because nobody else does,though how the Hell they'd know different if they weren't there,Lord knows.
Your word against that of the law----------it stinks.

Lookout, you appear either to be looking at this from your own position -obviously innocent and incensed at being suspected- OR from the place you'd like Jeremy to occupy. Try turning this around and seeing it from how the police may have seen it when things started to appear somewhat different from how they first had. It would have been impossible for them NOT to suspect him.

[lookout]

It was believed initially, it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

For a month------why the sudden change though.? What was it that happened after a month ?

[Jane]

For a month------why the sudden change though.? What was it that happened after a month ?

They all had their cataracts removed

[lookout]

Lookout, you appear either to be looking at this from your own position -obviously innocent and incensed at being suspected- OR from the place you'd like Jeremy to occupy. Try turning this around and seeing it from how the police may have seen it when things started to appear somewhat different from how they first had. It would have been impossible for them NOT to suspect him.

I know how the police work,April. 
Not sure if I've mentioned this before.I probably have. A friend of the family----a cop,was on night duty near the Manchester ship canal,years ago.Just before he was due to go off duty at 6am,he spotted a body floating downwards towards where he was,so he found a length of wood and kept pushing it away from him as far as he could or he'd be faced with a load of paperwork before he went off duty.
I'm going back years,but I don't doubt that avoidances similar to this still go on.

In one way,it was better for the new staff coming on duty as there would be a continuence of this one case,of hopefully the same officers for that day.
Continuity is key to progress. This,I feel didn't happen in the Bamber case as everyone's notes didn't tally at all. Or,certain things had been omitted which doesn't give a true overall description from each individual officer.
One said the rifle was on Sheila's body,another didn't see a rifle,and someone else said it was 18ins away from the body on the floor of the bedroom---------so which is it to be ?