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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #810 on: October 05, 2017, 09:59:PM »
The murders had nothing to do with inheritance,but it was the easy way out for EP !

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #811 on: October 05, 2017, 11:37:PM »
if what colin is saying about the being pictures kept at whf.


he is the source i belive correct me if i am wrong

what could of happend.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #812 on: October 06, 2017, 08:02:AM »
The murders had nothing to do with inheritance,but it was the easy way out for EP !

It had everything to do with inheritance....................but NOT an inheritance which could easily have been another 30+ years down the line (I've just seen the irony!!!) In order to gain his inheritance, Jeremy had to be seen to be dedicated to the farm. He wasn't going to receive it UNTIL Nevill's death and unless that death could be bought forward, Jeremy was likely to be well into middle age before it came his way and leading a life he wasn't cut out for. Certainly, he'd probably have received monies from other quarters but he'd still have had to work on the farm before he received the bulk. He believed it was important to have money whilst one was young. He wanted his inheritance NOW.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #813 on: October 06, 2017, 10:21:AM »
It had everything to do with inheritance....................but NOT an inheritance which could easily have been another 30+ years down the line (I've just seen the irony!!!) In order to gain his inheritance, Jeremy had to be seen to be dedicated to the farm. He wasn't going to receive it UNTIL Nevill's death and unless that death could be bought forward, Jeremy was likely to be well into middle age before it came his way and leading a life he wasn't cut out for. Certainly, he'd probably have received monies from other quarters but he'd still have had to work on the farm before he received the bulk. He believed it was important to have money whilst one was young. He wanted his inheritance NOW.





As I've said many a time,the grannie's days were numbered and JB probably already knew that his mother would see both Sheila and himself alright by contributing a bob or two to them after her death. JB had no enormous debts or anything which unduly worried him about wanting to get his hands on ready cash,so it's a ridiculous notion to repeat that this murder had been an inheritance one.
JB would also have known that having money in that way takes time,as it would have been 4 months+ for probate,therefore it wouldn't have amounted to " ready cash " any more.
He would have also been permanently on edge and it would have shown. The handing over of the keys to the place spelled honesty towards his relatives because he himself was honest and trusting. Would a mass murderer have done the same ? I would very much doubt it. Mass murderers or those intent on inheritance,want the cash,jewellery,goods now ! That's their whole purpose in committing such heinous crimes,they're ruthless and will stop at nothing.
How many 24 year olds in that position in which JB was in with everything he'd wanted and got go on to commit mass murder which included two little children ?  Not a lot,if any. It's more the older person who snaps at the thought of losing everything after having built up a business then through some quirk or other find themselves in a hole and some,through pride,will go on to murder their family then commit suicide as a means to end the problem.
If you,or anyone else can show me proof of a 24 year old killing his family for their inheritance then I will admit that it does happen.
Better still,statistics that also show this along with the same for those with mental illnesses.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #814 on: October 06, 2017, 10:26:AM »
I also think that letting the relatives into the house was risky, but Jeremy didn't seem to mind. I would have thought he'd want to get rid of the moderator because he'd know there might be blood on it.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #815 on: October 06, 2017, 10:35:AM »
There could have been anything left behind,hair sweat and spit ( as seen through a microscope )
Would anyone else have taken that chance ?? I don't think so.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #816 on: October 06, 2017, 12:07:PM »




As I've said many a time,the grannie's days were numbered and JB probably already knew that his mother would see both Sheila and himself alright by contributing a bob or two to them after her death. JB had no enormous debts or anything which unduly worried him about wanting to get his hands on ready cash,so it's a ridiculous notion to repeat that this murder had been an inheritance one.
JB would also have known that having money in that way takes time,as it would have been 4 months+ for probate,therefore it wouldn't have amounted to " ready cash " any more.
He would have also been permanently on edge and it would have shown. The handing over of the keys to the place spelled honesty towards his relatives because he himself was honest and trusting. Would a mass murderer have done the same ? I would very much doubt it. Mass murderers or those intent on inheritance,want the cash,jewellery,goods now ! That's their whole purpose in committing such heinous crimes,they're ruthless and will stop at nothing.
How many 24 year olds in that position in which JB was in with everything he'd wanted and got go on to commit mass murder which included two little children ?  Not a lot,if any. It's more the older person who snaps at the thought of losing everything after having built up a business then through some quirk or other find themselves in a hole and some,through pride,will go on to murder their family then commit suicide as a means to end the problem.
If you,or anyone else can show me proof of a 24 year old killing his family for their inheritance then I will admit that it does happen.
Better still,statistics that also show this along with the same for those with mental illnesses.
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He didn't want another handout from mummy - he wanted the lot!

So you're saying it doesn't happen?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #817 on: October 06, 2017, 12:10:PM »
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He didn't want another handout from mummy - he wanted the lot!

So you're saying it doesn't happen?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D





Can you prove to me that it does happen involving a 24 year old ?

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #818 on: October 06, 2017, 12:14:PM »




Can you prove to me that it does happen involving a 24 year old ?

Involving a 24 year old? What's that got to do with it? So you have put that condition in place so that if the person is slightly older or younger you can just dismiss it? How silly Lookout. To be honest I haven't even looked because I know exactly what's behind it.  ;D
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #819 on: October 06, 2017, 12:23:PM »
Involving a 24 year old? What's that got to do with it? So you have put that condition in place so that if the person is slightly older or younger you can just dismiss it? How silly Lookout. To be honest I haven't even looked because I know exactly what's behind it.  ;D





It has to do with a lot.For starters you can't answer it !! Secondly I didn't mention anything about dismissing the fact that it's an older person who commits mass murder. Thirdly,there's nothing behind anything as I'd asked a simple question which again you can't answer so you again " dismiss " it yourself by saying it's " silly ".

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #820 on: October 06, 2017, 12:30:PM »




It has to do with a lot.For starters you can't answer it !! Secondly I didn't mention anything about dismissing the fact that it's an older person who commits mass murder. Thirdly,there's nothing behind anything as I'd asked a simple question which again you can't answer so you again " dismiss " it yourself by saying it's " silly ".

No, like Jackie, you asked a question and put silly conditions on it. The age is immaterial, the term inheritance killer' is a real term so that PROVES there are such killers and Bamber is one of them. If you think I am wasting my time trawling through list of killers just to have you pick at the differences (which of cause there will be), you have another thing coming. There is one I can think of off the top of my head - Brian Blackwell. He wasn't 24 though so you have your get out clause all set to dismiss him.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #821 on: October 06, 2017, 12:39:PM »




As I've said many a time,the grannie's days were numbered and JB probably already knew that his mother would see both Sheila and himself alright by contributing a bob or two to them after her death. JB had no enormous debts or anything which unduly worried him about wanting to get his hands on ready cash,so it's a ridiculous notion to repeat that this murder had been an inheritance one.
JB would also have known that having money in that way takes time,as it would have been 4 months+ for probate,therefore it wouldn't have amounted to " ready cash " any more.
He would have also been permanently on edge and it would have shown. The handing over of the keys to the place spelled honesty towards his relatives because he himself was honest and trusting. Would a mass murderer have done the same ? I would very much doubt it. Mass murderers or those intent on inheritance,want the cash,jewellery,goods now ! That's their whole purpose in committing such heinous crimes,they're ruthless and will stop at nothing.
How many 24 year olds in that position in which JB was in with everything he'd wanted and got go on to commit mass murder which included two little children ?  Not a lot,if any. It's more the older person who snaps at the thought of losing everything after having built up a business then through some quirk or other find themselves in a hole and some,through pride,will go on to murder their family then commit suicide as a means to end the problem.
If you,or anyone else can show me proof of a 24 year old killing his family for their inheritance then I will admit that it does happen.
Better still,statistics that also show this along with the same for those with mental illnesses.

You're deflecting from my post. All the 'understanding' you claim to have of Jeremy seems to be more about how YOU believe it was. You talk about him having "everything he wanted" but from various of his conversations with others, it's not how he saw it. You speak of "mass murderers" -how many others do you know?- wanting "the cash, jewellery, goods now". Jeremy was selling it off like there was no tomorrow but you defend HIM -as opposed to other mass murders- as needing it for death duties! Grannie's will? Yes, June may have given some of her inheritance to Sheila and Jeremy -although hardly enough for him to live the life he'd have preferred, I imagine- but we have Jeremy's own words about how he felt about Sheila getting anything. I have no idea why you want a precedent. Even if no 24 year old -or one a few years either side of that-  had previously murdered for inheritance, it didn't stop Jeremy.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #822 on: October 06, 2017, 12:39:PM »
No, like Jackie, you asked a question and put silly conditions on it. The age is immaterial, the term inheritance killer' is a real term so that PROVES there are such killers and Bamber is one of them. If you think I am wasting my time trawling through list of killers just to have you pick at the differences (which of cause there will be), you have another thing coming. There is one I can think of off the top of my head - Brian Blackwell. He wasn't 24 though so you have your get out clause all set to dismiss him.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D





I'd NEVER dismiss a killer no matter who it is !! Hang him--------yes.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #823 on: October 06, 2017, 12:41:PM »




I'd NEVER dismiss a killer no matter who it is !! Hang him--------yes.

You would have done had I not said you would have. So there you go, there's an inheritance killer. Challenge complete!
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #824 on: October 06, 2017, 12:43:PM »
You would have done had I not said you would have. So there you go, there's an inheritance killer. Challenge complete!





But JB ISN'T one of your inheritance killers.