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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #390 on: June 13, 2015, 10:11:PM »
They don't add up!






Nothing adds up when you're under duress and suspicion,all that you know is that you're right and answer what you're asked to the best of your ability but when your mind is all over the place and you're trying to think of times,it's difficult. Officers are alright as they've got their notebooks and can argue with what you told them if you happen to change your mind.
Nobody can be expected to remember everything-------------unless of course they committed the crime,then they'd know everything off by heart. :)
I wouldn't imagine that Jeremy would have made any notes pre-arrest.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #391 on: June 13, 2015, 10:17:PM »





Nothing adds up when you're under duress and suspicion,all that you know is that you're right and answer what you're asked to the best of your ability but when your mind is all over the place and you're trying to think of times,it's difficult. Officers are alright as they've got their notebooks and can argue with what you told them if you happen to change your mind.
Nobody can be expected to remember everything-------------unless of course they committed the crime,then they'd know everything off by heart. :)
I wouldn't imagine that Jeremy would have made any notes pre-arrest.


Which in no way equates with being "head up and sure of myself" which could also include Jeremy who seemed to relish treating the interviewing officers like prize prats.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #392 on: June 13, 2015, 10:25:PM »

Which in no way equates with being "head up and sure of myself" which could also include Jeremy who seemed to relish treating the interviewing officers like prize prats.





When you know that you're right and they're wrong,this is a natural reaction of some. Doesn't mean that they're guilty of anything,just cock-sure of themselves to the degree of arrogance. Okay it's not the right attitude to take,but seeing that Jeremy hadn't done anything,this is how he'd reacted because he didn't know any better. He was showing off in other words and police don't do " showing off ".

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #393 on: June 13, 2015, 10:27:PM »
He thought BC had made an alliance after previously giving Fielder an exclusive on Jeremy's (and his own) arrest. He thought he was clever enough to get him onside. If he didn't try to sell the pictures, how did Fielder know about them? How did he use the same sentence that was told to Colin? Why is Jeremy now saying they never existed?

when did fielder say it in the orignal aritical or did he say it on the documentry.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #394 on: June 13, 2015, 10:41:PM »





Nothing adds up when you're under duress and suspicion,all that you know is that you're right and answer what you're asked to the best of your ability but when your mind is all over the place and you're trying to think of times,it's difficult. Officers are alright as they've got their notebooks and can argue with what you told them if you happen to change your mind.
Nobody can be expected to remember everything-------------unless of course they committed the crime,then they'd know everything off by heart. :)
I wouldn't imagine that Jeremy would have made any notes pre-arrest.

He didn't have to remember the Gettysburg Address Lookout, just the time his father called him, the time he called police and Julie and in what order. If he was stressed by the call, he'd have dialled 999, if he didn't think it was that urgent, why would he be stressed?
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #395 on: June 14, 2015, 09:34:AM »
He didn't have to remember the Gettysburg Address Lookout, just the time his father called him, the time he called police and Julie and in what order. If he was stressed by the call, he'd have dialled 999, if he didn't think it was that urgent, why would he be stressed?






I didn't mention stressed,as at the point the phone rang,he wouldn't have been stressed at not knowing there was anything to be stressed about. A call at that hour of the morning is disorientating if you'd been in a deep sleep,especially if as Jeremy had had a heavy day in the fields.
There is far more to human behaviour than saying what you as an individual would have done. If you were expecting such a call,then you would be more organised and less confused, at any time of the day or night and would be prepared.
Receiving a call like that in the early hours WOULD leave someone confused to the point that the caller would be asked to repeat their message to make sure you got it right.
Those who were older than Jeremy at the time,would realise that receiving a call at that hour is usually an accident or death,particularly death as 3am is when the normal body is at its lowest ebb,and as I'd said,if death had been imminent,then a call at such a time would have been the norm.

It's alright saying what each of us had done under the circumstances,but an unexpected ( which it was ) call would send most of us in a spin. It would take a good 5 minutes to gather your senses as well as getting over the initial shock.
The way Jeremy was brought up dictated how he reacted to his father's call-----------no panic. Neville was a level-headed man and was the calming influence in the family.I'd imagine he thought things out before he made a move and managed things his way before calling for drastic measures,thus why he himself didn't initially ring the police.
I tend to study the people involved rather than jump into anything feet first. We're all individuals and act differently under pressure.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #396 on: June 14, 2015, 09:37:AM »
He didn't have to remember the Gettysburg Address Lookout, just the time his father called him, the time he called police and Julie and in what order. If he was stressed by the call, he'd have dialled 999, if he didn't think it was that urgent, why would he be stressed?

It's a pity he didn't need to remember the Gettysburg address, as I'm sure knew that.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #397 on: June 14, 2015, 10:46:AM »
It's a pity he didn't need to remember the Gettysburg address, as I'm sure knew that.






Chances are,he wouldn't have known. He wasn't the brightest of scholars.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #398 on: June 14, 2015, 10:51:AM »





I didn't mention stressed,as at the point the phone rang,he wouldn't have been stressed at not knowing there was anything to be stressed about. A call at that hour of the morning is disorientating if you'd been in a deep sleep,especially if as Jeremy had had a heavy day in the fields.
There is far more to human behaviour than saying what you as an individual would have done. If you were expecting such a call,then you would be more organised and less confused, at any time of the day or night and would be prepared.
Receiving a call like that in the early hours WOULD leave someone confused to the point that the caller would be asked to repeat their message to make sure you got it right.
Those who were older than Jeremy at the time,would realise that receiving a call at that hour is usually an accident or death,particularly death as 3am is when the normal body is at its lowest ebb,and as I'd said,if death had been imminent,then a call at such a time would have been the norm.

It's alright saying what each of us had done under the circumstances,but an unexpected ( which it was ) call would send most of us in a spin. It would take a good 5 minutes to gather your senses as well as getting over the initial shock.
The way Jeremy was brought up dictated how he reacted to his father's call-----------no panic. Neville was a level-headed man and was the calming influence in the family.I'd imagine he thought things out before he made a move and managed things his way before calling for drastic measures,thus why he himself didn't initially ring the police.
I tend to study the people involved rather than jump into anything feet first. We're all individuals and act differently under pressure.



Does not a usually calm and rational man making a call circa 3am and sounding -in Jeremy's own words- panicked, suggest that something was VERY wrong?

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #399 on: June 14, 2015, 11:07:AM »


Does not a usually calm and rational man making a call circa 3am and sounding -in Jeremy's own words- panicked, suggest that something was VERY wrong?





 "Psychopaths" don't panic.  ;D

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #400 on: June 14, 2015, 11:07:AM »





I didn't mention stressed,as at the point the phone rang,he wouldn't have been stressed at not knowing there was anything to be stressed about. A call at that hour of the morning is disorientating if you'd been in a deep sleep,especially if as Jeremy had had a heavy day in the fields.
There is far more to human behaviour than saying what you as an individual would have done. If you were expecting such a call,then you would be more organised and less confused, at any time of the day or night and would be prepared.
Receiving a call like that in the early hours WOULD leave someone confused to the point that the caller would be asked to repeat their message to make sure you got it right.
Those who were older than Jeremy at the time,would realise that receiving a call at that hour is usually an accident or death,particularly death as 3am is when the normal body is at its lowest ebb,and as I'd said,if death had been imminent,then a call at such a time would have been the norm.

It's alright saying what each of us had done under the circumstances,but an unexpected ( which it was ) call would send most of us in a spin. It would take a good 5 minutes to gather your senses as well as getting over the initial shock.
The way Jeremy was brought up dictated how he reacted to his father's call-----------no panic. Neville was a level-headed man and was the calming influence in the family.I'd imagine he thought things out before he made a move and managed things his way before calling for drastic measures,thus why he himself didn't initially ring the police.
I tend to study the people involved rather than jump into anything feet first. We're all individuals and act differently under pressure.

Jeremy said his father sounded terrified and he had plenty of time to 'gather his thoughts' because not only did he call Julie first, he is saying he didn't call the police until 03:36 - that's 30 mins to 'gather his thoughts' Lookout. The reason he buggered up the times is because he was trying to apply logic to something that didn't happen. He couldn't know what questions people would later ask, so he couldn't cover those bases.

You study the individuals do you? When did you get the opportunity to do that? You don't know any of them!
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #401 on: June 14, 2015, 11:31:AM »




 "Psychopaths" don't panic.  ;D


Which is the probable reason for Jeremy diddling away his time looking for local police stations instead of calling 999.  Checkmate ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #402 on: June 14, 2015, 11:35:AM »


Does not a usually calm and rational man making a call circa 3am and sounding -in Jeremy's own words- panicked, suggest that something was VERY wrong?





Not if it's all been heard before in similar circumstances------------of which we don't know of as yet.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #403 on: June 14, 2015, 11:38:AM »
Neville mightn't have sounded panicky.We're taking Jeremy's word aren't we ? And you all know that he " lies ".

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #404 on: June 14, 2015, 11:40:AM »
Neville mightn't have sounded panicky.We're taking Jeremy's word aren't we ? And you all know that he " lies ".

He didn't sound 'panicky' because he didn't call.
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