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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2015, 02:40:PM »
well we could allways ask the sun if they have such tapes and if they do why they have missed out on such a good story by not publishing them.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2015, 02:47:PM »
He has money for expensive Arizona tests. Couldn't the lawyers who work for him, for free assist ?

Anyway, a bit late now.
No he doesn't have money Adam and you surely know this, others paid for the tests.  Fact is even if he proved he didn't try to sell the photos it wouldn't make much difference to his sentence.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2015, 02:49:PM »
Water-tight my eye. It certainly wasn't water-tight when Kelvin Mackenzie was editor during the Hillsborough disaster.!
He who joined in the knees-up after JB was jailed. Crooks the lot of them.

Nothing to do with the Hillsborough disaster Lookout - I don't care how many times I have to say it. no one has to take The Sun's word for anything, but unless you want to call Colin a liar, you can't argue that he doesn't confirm the sale of the pictures!! It happened!!
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2015, 02:52:PM »
Nothing to do with the Hillsborough disaster Lookout - I don't care how many times I have to say it. no one has to take The Sun's word for anything, but unless you want to call Colin a liar, you can't arge that he doesn't confirm the sale of the pictures!! It happened!!

Exactly.

It's the same faces - deny all - support Bamber. Doesn't make any difference though.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2015, 03:01:PM »
those who believe the Fielder allegations do so because they believe it helps their cause rather than based on an honest and objective appraisal of what is known.
  Believing Fielder flies in the face of reason. There are more sleaze and lies that he is involved in but I am sure that posters can discover this for themselves.

Your words fit better here gringo!

Those who believe Bamber do so because they are obsessed and willing to believe anything if it helps their cause rather than based on an honest and objective appraisal of what is known.
Believing Bamber flies in the face of reason. There are more sleaze and lies that he is involved in but I am sure that posters can discover this for themselves - most won't want to.  ;)
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2015, 03:03:PM »
Exactly.

It's the same faces - deny all - support Bamber. Doesn't make any difference though.
What same faces?  Just because someone questions things doesn't make them 'biased' 'in denial' or anything else. You tar anyone who has a different opinion than yourself with the same brush.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2015, 03:03:PM »
Exactly.

It's the same faces - deny all - support Bamber. Doesn't make any difference though.






Is that all you've got to offer ? No explanation ? It's the same faces in opposition,so what's different ?

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2015, 03:07:PM »
I cannot agree that anyone is 'desperate' to prove JB's innocence, unless they are in some way emotionally attached to him and I don't believe most supporters or people unsure one way or the other, are emotionally attached to him, have never met him and are never likely to.  It is just  difference of opinion imo. 
There is nothing biased or illogical about disbelieving anything the Sun newspaper prints and with respect scipio you live in the USA and are not maybe quite as clued up about that rag, especially back in the 1980s. 
I can see there is a valid argument from Colin's account in his book but you need to also accept there is a valid argument that the Sun lied, that's what they did, they lied for the police and for the government, small wonder people aren't happy to take anything they wrote as a truth.

I see many people emotionally attached to their belief he is innocent. They base their position on the belief that a crazy person would commit murder not someone like Jeremy and ignore all the evidence which establishes his guilt.  Out of desperation they attach the police and mention any wrongdoing done in other cases to try to pretend the police did wrong in this case though there is no evidence of wrongdoing in this case only other cases.  The same exact thing is being done with the Sun saying they posted false things in the past so they refuse to believe the Sun could be telling the truth though it is not credible that the Sun invented he had nude pics and tried to sell them.  It is all part of the desire not to face they have been conned by Jeremy in their initial assessments of Jeremy's innocence.

I initially thought maybe Jeremy was innocent based on all the claims made by Bamber's campaign team but I didn't accept the claims as Gospel and decide he definitely was innocent.  I researched to see if indeed he was thus I had no emotional attachment to him being innocent.  All the spectacular claims fell apart on scrutiny from the claim Sheila was seen alive in the house while police were there, to the claim the gun was seen in the window to the claim the police moved Sheila's body, to the claim there were 2 bodies in the kitchen, to the claim they were having a conversation with people inside the house, to the claim SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 were 3 different moderators, to the claim there is evidence Nevill phoned 999, to claims there is proof Sheila's blood was wet and her injuries were delivered not long from the time of the raid, to the claim Sheila's medicine ran out, to...

All the things cited that had potential of establishing Sheila really didn't do it all turned out to be lies and nonsense.  The official site doesn't go through all the evidence against Jeremy and once one actually sees the evidence it becomes clear the campaign team doesn't attack any of it head on but rather tries to dance around it and hopes people won't be aware of it and will simply believe the smoke and mirrors.

Some Jeremy supporters are the ones actively engaging in the deceptions.  Others simply were taken in by such and much like the women who appeared on the Dr Phil show who didn't want to admit they were taken in by Nigerian con-artists and still insisted the men were "real", we see a number of Jeremy supporters trying anything to try to avoid admitting they were taken in and now see that.


 
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2015, 03:09:PM »
What same faces?  Just because someone questions things doesn't make them 'biased' 'in denial' or anything else. You tar anyone who has a different opinion than yourself with the same brush.

No I don't. What are you questioning? Colin?
It has nothing to do with the paper. Colin backs the story up. Simply not believing the story because of the sun ignores what Colin wrote in his book, so it is biased.

I didn't mention anything about being in denial, but if the shoe fits, Maggie.

But supporters DO peddle myths, they post things that aren't true- because they are biased .

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2015, 03:11:PM »
I see many people emotionally attached to their belief he is innocent. They base their position on the belief that a crazy person would commit murder not someone like Jeremy and ignore all the evidence which establishes his guilt.  Out of desperation they attach the police and mention any wrongdoing done in other cases to try to pretend the police did wrong in this case though there is no evidence of wrongdoing in this case only other cases.  The same exact thing is being done with the Sun saying they posted false things in the past so they refuse to believe the Sun could be telling the truth though it is not credible that the Sun invented he had nude pics and tried to sell them.  It is all part of the desire not to face they have been conned by Jeremy in their initial assessments of Jeremy's innocence.

I initially thought maybe Jeremy was innocent based on all the claims made by Bamber's campaign team but I didn't accept the claims as Gospel and decide he definitely was innocent.  I researched to see if indeed he was thus I had no emotional attachment to him being innocent.  All the spectacular claims fell apart on scrutiny from the claim Sheila was seen alive in the house while police were there, to the claim the gun was seen in the window to the claim the police moved Sheila's body, to the claim there were 2 bodies in the kitchen, to the claim they were having a conversation with people inside the house, to the claim SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 were 3 different moderators, to the claim there is evidence Nevill phoned 999, to claims there is proof Sheila's blood was wet and her injuries were delivered not long from the time of the raid, to the claim Sheila's medicine ran out, to...

All the things cited that had potential of establishing Sheila really didn't do it all turned out to be lies and nonsense.  The official site doesn't go through all the evidence against Jeremy and once one actually sees the evidence it becomes clear the campaign team doesn't attack any of it head on but rather tries to dance around it and hopes people won't be aware of it and will simply believe the smoke and mirrors.

Some Jeremy supporters are the ones actively engaging in the deceptions.  Others simply were taken in by such and much like the women who appeared on the Dr Phil show who didn't want to admit they were taken in by Nigerian con-artists and still insisted the men were "real", we see a number of Jeremy supporters trying anything to try to avoid admitting they were taken in and now see that.

Great points.

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2015, 03:11:PM »
Exactly.

It's the same faces - deny all - support Bamber. Doesn't make any difference though.

They cannot deny the meeting happened. Even the OS agreed it happened. 

Supporters can just claim that it was a big entrapment Jeremy stupidly walked into.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #56 on: June 07, 2015, 03:11:PM »
What same faces?  Just because someone questions things doesn't make them 'biased' 'in denial' or anything else. You tar anyone who has a different opinion than yourself with the same brush.

I think Mat is referring to those who WON'T admit that Colin's word is the important thing, not Fielder. Harping on about the sleaze of The Sun to mask the FACT that Colin said he KNEW it was true. You have already acknowledged that, as have a few others but in the main, it's ignored. People also feel that dropping the Hillsborough bomb gives their argument a firmer basis, but it doesn't. Feilder could be the biggest lying creep on the planet - but I don't believe that Colin is.
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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #57 on: June 07, 2015, 03:12:PM »
I see many people emotionally attached to their belief he is innocent. They base their position on the belief that a crazy person would commit murder not someone like Jeremy and ignore all the evidence which establishes his guilt.  Out of desperation they attach the police and mention any wrongdoing done in other cases to try to pretend the police did wrong in this case though there is no evidence of wrongdoing in this case only other cases.  The same exact thing is being done with the Sun saying they posted false things in the past so they refuse to believe the Sun could be telling the truth though it is not credible that the Sun invented he had nude pics and tried to sell them.  It is all part of the desire not to face they have been conned by Jeremy in their initial assessments of Jeremy's innocence.

I initially thought maybe Jeremy was innocent based on all the claims made by Bamber's campaign team but I didn't accept the claims as Gospel and decide he definitely was innocent.  I researched to see if indeed he was thus I had no emotional attachment to him being innocent.  All the spectacular claims fell apart on scrutiny from the claim Sheila was seen alive in the house while police were there, to the claim the gun was seen in the window to the claim the police moved Sheila's body, to the claim there were 2 bodies in the kitchen, to the claim they were having a conversation with people inside the house, to the claim SBJ/1, DB/1 and DRB/1 were 3 different moderators, to the claim there is evidence Nevill phoned 999, to claims there is proof Sheila's blood was wet and her injuries were delivered not long from the time of the raid, to the claim Sheila's medicine ran out, to...

All the things cited that had potential of establishing Sheila really didn't do it all turned out to be lies and nonsense.  The official site doesn't go through all the evidence against Jeremy and once one actually sees the evidence it becomes clear the campaign team doesn't attack any of it head on but rather tries to dance around it and hopes people won't be aware of it and will simply believe the smoke and mirrors.

Some Jeremy supporters are the ones actively engaging in the deceptions.  Others simply were taken in by such and much like the women who appeared on the Dr Phil show who didn't want to admit they were taken in by Nigerian con-artists and still insisted the men were "real", we see a number of Jeremy supporters trying anything to try to avoid admitting they were taken in and now see that.
That is really insulting scipio.

You are entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to theirs, just because their opinions are different or they are not as convinced as you are does not make them naïve or stupid, thy are following a train of thought, maybe different than yours but that is not a sin.
 

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #58 on: June 07, 2015, 03:15:PM »
I think Mat is referring to those who WON'T admit that Colin's word is the important thing, not Fielder. Harping on about the sleaze of The Sun to mask the FACT that Colin said he KNEW it was true. You have already acknowledged that, as have a few others but in the main, it's ignored. People also feel that dropping the Hillsborough bomb gives their argument a firmer basis, but it doesn't. Feilder could be the biggest lying creep on the planet - but I don't believe that Colin is.

Exactly, thanks Caroline I am glad you read it properly. It's constant diversion. Oh, the sun is a bad paper - what about Colin backing it up? - hillsborough!  ::)

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Re: Michael Fielder Proven liar
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2015, 03:16:PM »
I think Mat is referring to those who WON'T admit that Colin's word is the important thing, not Fielder. Harping on about the sleaze of The Sun to mask the FACT that Colin said he KNEW it was true. You have already acknowledged that, as have a few others but in the main, it's ignored. People also feel that dropping the Hillsborough bomb gives their argument a firmer basis, but it doesn't. Feilder could be the biggest lying creep on the planet - but I don't believe that Colin is.
My argument about the Sun is mainly with Adam because he won't accept the Sun in the 1980s was corrupt and for that reason his arguments are flawed.  I know I'm banging my head against a brick wall but somehow I can't seem to help it.  :'( :'( :'(