Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[lookout]

This case was made unnecessarily complex by the mismanagement of EP and their slipshod investigations as admitted by the TOP cop at the time,Mick Gradwell.

[Alias]

It's not convoluted at all, you're making t that way. However, now Jeremy only lives 5 minutes away? I'm not saying this did happen, I'm suggesting it COULD have. But at least you admit that the distance from WHF to Goldhanger is only 5 minutes away!!

I don´t think I have said anything about the distance before - but it doesn´t take long by car, does it? I thougt that was established. 5 minutes might be too short a time though, but he did live very close by.

[Caroline]

I honestly think all this sounds so very, very unlikely and out of character for the Bambers.
Why would the slippers be by the bed Jeremy was supposed to sleep in?
Why was there no blood at all in "Sheila´s" room? Where was Nevill when he received the initial shots?
How about Sheila in the room, in the very same bed June was shot in? What would she have done? Jeremy had to "save her for last" to be able to stage her death as a suicide.
He would now have Nevill behind him, if you understand what I mean - or do you think he went to Sheila´s room first and "dealt with" Nevill and they ended up in the kitchen?'

A lot of things have to be explained for this to work out, I think.

Is it out of character for the Bambers? How would you know?

He didn't have to 'save Sheila for last' - why would that make a difference to the staging?

No one knows who was shot first, you can only guess but you're not happy with anything said yesterday because of noise or that Nevill would be dealt with first (even though that also applies to Sheila). The point I am making, is that there are various options and none of us can know what 'actually' happened - only one person knows and he's not telling!

[Caroline]

I don´t think I have said anything about the distance before - but it doesn´t take long by car, does it? I thougt that was established. 5 minutes might be too short a time though, but he did live very close by.

easy to get to, no matter how or on what he arrived in/on.

[Alias]

Is it out of character for the Bambers? How would you know?

He didn't have to 'save Sheila for last' - why would that make a difference to the staging?

No one knows who was shot first, you can only guess but you're not happy with anything said yesterday because of noise or that Nevill would be dealt with first (even though that also applies to Sheila). The point I am making, is that there are various options and none of us can know what 'actually' happened - only one person knows and he's not telling!

Do you think it is all right for me to express my doubts?

Of course I don´t know if it was out of character, they just didn´t seem like touchy, feely people who would share beds with each other. Just my opinion.

So Jeremy shot and staged Sheila´s suicide while June and Nevill, or one of them, were still alive?

[lookout]

A bicycle,wasn't it ??

[Caroline]

Do you think it is all right for me to express my doubts?

Of course I don´t know if it was out of character, they just didn´t seem like touchy, feely people who would share beds with each other. Just my opinion.

So Jeremy shot and staged Sheila´s suicide while June and Nevill, or one of them, were still alive?

Why would they be touchy feely in order to share a bed? It could simply have been for practical reasons.

He wouldn't have staged anything until they were ALL dead.

[Adam]

Is it out of character for the Bambers? How would you know?

He didn't have to 'save Sheila for last' - why would that make a difference to the staging?

No one knows who was shot first, you can only guess but you're not happy with anything said yesterday because of noise or that Nevill would be dealt with first (even though that also applies to Sheila). The point I am making, is that there are various options and none of us can know what 'actually' happened - only one person knows and he's not telling!

Bamber wanted to commit the crime and get away with it.

Common sense directs what he would do in certain situations.

Attempting to kill Neville and June first is one common sense action.

The other is driving home as normal, then cycling back on the bike he had taken home with him,  just before the massacre.

[Alias]

Why would they be touchy feely in order to share a bed? It could simply have been for practical reasons.

He wouldn't have staged anything until they were ALL dead.

For a person who lived so close by - and about whom it is said, he didn´t get along with his family?

About Sheila, where then was she when she was shot? Where and in what state was June, and where and in what state was Nevill?

[susan]

I honestly think all this sounds so very, very unlikely and out of character for the Bambers.
Why would the slippers be by the bed Jeremy was supposed to sleep in?
Why was there no blood at all in "Sheila´s" room? Where was Nevill when he received the initial shots?
How about Sheila in the room, in the very same bed June was shot in? What would she have done? Jeremy had to "save her for last" to be able to stage her death as a suicide.
He would now have Nevill behind him, if you understand what I mean - or do you think he went to Sheila´s room first and "dealt with" Nevill and they ended up in the kitchen?'



A lot of things have to be explained for this to work out, I think.

Alias much has to be explained before anything is worked out.  I am throwing ideas about how things could have happened not saying they did.  The slippers were in that bedroom for Ralph none were found in his own bedroom.  I suspect June and Sheila were shot before Ralph and he woke up by the nose and was shot as he came out of Sheila's bedroom then he ran downstairs and think we all have agreed what happened next.  I can find many holes in this theory as I can all the others that have been posted on the forum. Jeremy could have used any excuse to stay over i.e. his electric was off his water Ralph would never find out he was lying because he would have been shot.

[Alias]

Alias much has to be explained before anything is worked out.  I am throwing ideas about how things could have happened not saying they did.  The slippers were in that bedroom for Ralph none were found in his own bedroom.  I suspect June and Sheila were shot before Ralph and he woke up by the nose and was shot as he came out of Sheila's bedroom then he ran downstairs and think we all have agreed what happened next.  I can find many holes in this theory as I can all the others that have been posted on the forum. Jeremy could have used any excuse to stay over i.e. his electric was off his water Ralph would never find out he was lying because he would have been shot.

Jeremy would have taken a huge risk by shooting June and Sheila first - with Nevill waking up and entering the bedroom. A big risk.

He would also have to get up close to Sheila to deliver those contact shots to her neck.

[susan]

Jeremy would have taken a huge risk by shooting June and Sheila first - with Nevill waking up and entering the bedroom. A big risk.

He would also have to get up close to Sheila to deliver those contact shots to her neck.

Alias you are quite right and think I will go back to the drawing board

[Caroline]

Jeremy would have taken a huge risk by shooting June and Sheila first - with Nevill waking up and entering the bedroom. A big risk.

He would also have to get up close to Sheila to deliver those contact shots to her neck.

So would Sheila.

[Adam]

Jeremy would have taken a huge risk by shooting June and Sheila first - with Nevill waking up and entering the bedroom. A big risk.

He would also have to get up close to Sheila to deliver those contact shots to her neck.

I agree.

[guest154]

Jeremy would have taken a huge risk by shooting June and Sheila first - with Nevill waking up and entering the bedroom. A big risk.

He would also have to get up close to Sheila to deliver those contact shots to her neck.

Well yeah, that's the whole point from 30 years ago.