Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[Adam]

Why would he be hiding? Think you've missed the point. Why would they hear him drive off? Was he driving a tank?

No he was driving a car. The Foakes's heard him drive off.

There is no reason for them to lie. He drove home and cycled back. Simple.

[Adam]

It is in Jeremy's interests to drive back home.

The Foakes's heard him drive off around 10am. This supports Jeremy.

[Alias]

For what reason would he have to sleep there when there were NO visitors? Of course her stuff was all over the bed, he couldn't actually sleep in it. If Nevill was also sleeping in that room he could have used them himself. Nevill's blood outside Sheila's room but none in the main bedroom and Sheila found on the floor of his side of the bed and you find it hard to believe?

Jeremy said himself he was having supper with them, so he was hanging out with them - he is the one that paints a picture that all was rosy.

Very.
The Bamber couple could have preferred to sleep in seperate bedrooms from time to time, that is not unusual, since Sheila occupied that room, Nevill could not sleep there.
The bullet casings are not explained in this scenario.

[Caroline]

I thought he was hiding at WHF before getting up and killing everyone.

Or did Jeremy ask if he could stay the night ? Ahhh.

Why would he need to ask? Can you honestly see Nevill heading out to the fields after 10pm to bring home the trailer when Jeremy was supposed to do it? More likely that Jeremy offered to get one last load and offer to stay the night and once everything is quiet put his plan into action. The dog isn't going to bark, perhaps he even locks it in the living room - no noise from breaking in and no one suspicious if he's walking about.

[Caroline]

Very.
The Bamber couple could have preferred to sleep in seperate bedrooms from time to time, that is not unusual, since Sheila occupied that room, Nevill could not sleep there.
The bullet casings are not explained in this scenario.

Not if she was sleeping with June. I have just said they were in separate rooms so why are you arguing that they couldn't have been? Casings can be moved.

[Adam]

Why would he need to ask? Can you honestly see Nevill heading out to the fields after 10pm to bring home the trailer when Jeremy was supposed to do it? More likely that Jeremy offered to get one last load and offer to stay the night and once everything is quiet put his plan into action. The dog isn't going to bark, perhaps he even locks it in the living room - no noise from breaking in and no one suspicious if he's walking about.

It's amazing enough he had supper with everyone, considering the relationship he had with everyone. To stay the night is just ridiculous.

If the Foakes's heard him drive off at 3am, or his neighbours heard him arrive back at his cottage at 3am,  it's all over for him.

Very risky for him. But with a simple solution.

[Alias]

Not if she was sleeping with June. I have just said they were in separate rooms so why are you arguing that they couldn't have been? Casings can be moved.

See, now it gets really convoluted. Would Jeremy have moved the casings around after shooting everyone?
Also, Sheila and Nevill having to switch beds because Jeremy, who lived five minutes away, was to stay the night?
Was it Nevill who had not gone properly to bed, but just lain on the covers? Or was it Jeremy?
Why didn´t Sheila take her things off the other bed? Why didn´t she bring at least her toiletries into her parents´ bedroom if she was sleeping there?

[Adam]

See, now it gets really convoluted. Would Jeremy have moved the casings around after shooting everyone?
Also, Sheila and Nevill having to switch beds because Jeremy, who lived five minutes away, was to stay the night?
Was it Nevill who had not gone properly to bed, but just lain on the covers? Or was it Jeremy?
Why didn´t Sheila take her things off the other bed? Why didn´t she bring at least her toiletries into her parents´ bedroom if she was sleeping there?

Sheila and Neville switching beds ? So June and Sheila were sharing a bed.

Would Jeremy have made everyone breakfast in bed if he had stayed the night ?

[Alias]

Sheila and Neville switching beds ? So June and Sheila were sharing a bed.

Would Jeremy have made everyone breakfast in bed if he had stayed the night ?

I believe that is the theory.

[Adam]

I believe that is the theory.

Where was Jeremy going to sleep ?

[susan]

Alias if this was the case Ralph would have used the bed (the one where it looked like somebody had laid on top of it) and Jeremy was to use the one with all the stuff on it.This would all explain i.e.what Sheila was doing in the main bedroom on Ralphs side of the bed on the floor and Ralph's blood outside Sheila's room, Ralph's slippers in there don't recall seeing any in the master bedroom.  Would I be correct in saying Ralph liked a couple of drams before retiring if so that would make him sleep heavy.

[Caroline]

It's amazing enough he had supper with everyone, considering the relationship he had with everyone. To stay the night is just ridiculous.

If the Foakes's heard him drive off at 3am, or his neighbours heard him arrive back at his cottage at 3am,  it's all over for him.

Very risky for him. But with a simple solution.

They didn't hear any commotion, they had no reason to hear him at 3am. The same could be said about him using the bike which is MUCH slower. If someone saw him, it's all over for him. His neighbours wouldn't hear him if he didn't drive the car all the way to his door.

[Caroline]

See, now it gets really convoluted. Would Jeremy have moved the casings around after shooting everyone?
Also, Sheila and Nevill having to switch beds because Jeremy, who lived five minutes away, was to stay the night?
Was it Nevill who had not gone properly to bed, but just lain on the covers? Or was it Jeremy?
Why didn´t Sheila take her things off the other bed? Why didn´t she bring at least her toiletries into her parents´ bedroom if she was sleeping there?

It's not convoluted at all, you're making t that way. However, now Jeremy only lives 5 minutes away? I'm not saying this did happen, I'm suggesting it COULD have. But at least you admit that the distance from WHF to Goldhanger is only 5 minutes away!!

[Adam]

They didn't hear any commotion, they had no reason to hear him at 3am. The same could be said about him using the bike which is MUCH slower. If someone saw him, it's all over for him. His neighbours wouldn't hear him if he didn't drive the car all the way to his door.

No one would see him on the bike route. It passed no dwellings. It was three miles. He would not be concerned about slowness.

So he phoned the police and Julie at 3am. Asked the police to pick him up. Drove some of the way home, then turned around and drove back.

[Alias]

Alias if this was the case Ralph would have used the bed (the one where it looked like somebody had laid on top of it) and Jeremy was to use the one with all the stuff on it.This would all explain i.e.what Sheila was doing in the main bedroom on Ralphs side of the bed on the floor and Ralph's blood outside Sheila's room, Ralph's slippers in there don't recall seeing any in the master bedroom.  Would I be correct in saying Ralph liked a couple of drams before retiring if so that would make him sleep heavy.

I honestly think all this sounds so very, very unlikely and out of character for the Bambers.
Why would the slippers be by the bed Jeremy was supposed to sleep in?
Why was there no blood at all in "Sheila´s" room? Where was Nevill when he received the initial shots?
How about Sheila in the room, in the very same bed June was shot in? What would she have done? Jeremy had to "save her for last" to be able to stage her death as a suicide.
He would now have Nevill behind him, if you understand what I mean - or do you think he went to Sheila´s room first and "dealt with" Nevill and they ended up in the kitchen?'

A lot of things have to be explained for this to work out, I think.