Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[Adam]

Adam why would he need to hide anywhere.  He phoned Julie after he had murdered his family when he arrived back at his own home on foot yes leaving through the window.

He phoned Julie at 10pm as well.

[maggie]

Personally, I think he was already in the house - I think he came back and I think it was him who brought home the trailer, not Nevill.

I do remember questioning about the trailer when I first read it.  It didn't seem to make sense to me that he would leave his father to bring in the last trailer at that time of night after a long day but then we are constantly told how lazy and spoiled he was.

[Caroline]

Caroline

I remember you posting this theory early on and it makes more sense to me as he would not be going into any "unknowns" he could pick the right time where he would not be challenged.

And 'any noises' wouldn't cause a reaction. I think he was supposed to stay in the other bed in Sheila's room - which is why Nevill's slippers were in there. However, he had no intention of sleeping, he watched the TV programmes that he mentioned (he mentioned them out of the blue in his interview the following day - there was no need other than to bolster an alibi!!). The programmes ended after he said he went to bed - because he didn't go to bed.

[maggie]

It's a discussion board.

If everyone agrees that Sheila was dead before everyone arrived, that is a major move in the right direction.

There is no evidence she was alive. Just fanciful claims by Jeremy/the OS.

It seems there is no reason she would stay alive for so along. As well as hide from view and make no noises. Before amazingly walk upstairs and commit suicide after the police move in. The only reason given is that there is no set rule on how one would act while in a 'crazy' state.

If we are all in agreement that Sheila was dead before the police arrive, there is one thing that is established - Jeremy is grasping at straws.

The next thing to look at is did the condition of Sheila show her to be the killer ?

It doesn't prove anything Adam, this isn't a game of Cluedo, we still wouldn't know definitely that Sheila was dead before the police arrived because we all think so. Surely it should be the other way round?

[Adam]

Don't you ever question any part of the windows theory, Adam?

Well I gave 17 sources that the window could be bang locked from outside. Good sources as well.

The bathroom window had been loosened with a hack saw. Jeremy admitted doing this, although said it was after the massacre. He may have opened the bathroom window an inch at the last supper in preparation for his return. 

[Caroline]

I do remember questioning about the trailer when I first read it.  It didn't seem to make sense to me that he would leave his father to bring in the last trailer at that time of night after a long day but then we are constantly told how lazy and spoiled he was.

I can't see Nevill heading out to the fields around 10pm when he was usually in bed at that time. It doesn't make any sense.

[Alias]

What excuse would Jeremy have made to want to stay the night at the farm? It was already full of people plus he lived nearby and had a car.
Are there any reports that Jeremy had stayed the night at the farm after he moved to Goldhanger?

I have said this before, but I find this theory quite convoluted and too unlikely to have happened.

[maggie]

Well I gave 17 sources that the window could be bang locked from outside. Good sources as well.

The bathroom window had been loosened with a hack saw. Jeremy admitted doing this, although said it was after the massacre. He may have opened the bathroom window an inch at the last supper.

None of your 17 sources proved anything to me Adam, sorry.  I don't believe he or anyone could bang the window closed.

[Caroline]

What excuse would Jeremy have made to want to stay the night at the farm? It was already full of people plus he lived nearby and had a car.
Are there any reports that Jeremy had stayed the night at the farm after he moved to Goldhanger?

I have said this before, but I find this theory quite convoluted and too unlikely to have happened.

He wouldn't need to make an excuse, I could stay at my parents house any time I wanted - didn't need a formal invite. It might be convoluted for you, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it makes perfect sense.

[Caroline]

He phoned Julie at 10pm as well.

Who said he called her from Goldhanger? Just Jeremy!

[susan]

And 'any noises' wouldn't cause a reaction. I think he was supposed to stay in the other bed in Sheila's room - which is why Nevill's slippers were in there. However, he had no intention of sleeping, he watched the TV programmes that he mentioned (he mentioned them out of the blue in his interview the following day - there was no need other than to bolster an alibi!!). The programmes ended after he said he went to bed - because he didn't go to bed.

Caroline that makes good sense to me and I remember reading in a statement of AE's how surprised she was that the other bed in Sheila's room was made up ready for sleeping in.

[susan]

Who said he called her from Goldhanger? Just Jeremy!

Caroline that is another good point he could have phoned her from WHF.

[maggie]

And 'any noises' wouldn't cause a reaction. I think he was supposed to stay in the other bed in Sheila's room - which is why Nevill's slippers were in there. However, he had no intention of sleeping, he watched the TV programmes that he mentioned (he mentioned them out of the blue in his interview the following day - there was no need other than to bolster an alibi!!). The programmes ended after he said he went to bed - because he didn't go to bed.

I can see your argument but would he share a bedroom with Sheila?  Seems a bit unlikely but I see your point about the slippers.
He may have stayed there sometimes because he was having a very early start due to harvesting.....

[Caroline]

I have never seen a statement from anyone saying they saw his car parked outside - only Jeremy saying that someone would have noticed if it wasn't there. Why would they? he didn't get home until around 10pm (allegedly). People have their curtains shut by then and would have no idea if he was home or not. We only have his word that he ever left WHF.

[Adam]

None of your 17 sources proved anything to me Adam, sorry.  I don't believe he or anyone could bang the window closed.

Quite right to.

Banging a window so a catch falls into place. Only 17 sources. Jeremy must be released.