Why did Sheila wait so long to commit suicide ?

[Caroline]

I agree with Lookouts post, I don't agree with everything Lookout posts. I am not a 'supporter' I think about others arguments and my own opinions as well, I simply am not sure either way.
I have no definite idea whether Sheila stayed alive for several hours, killed herself straight after or was killed by JB. I just meant that if Sheila carried out the murders she would have been in a psychotic mental state therefore what appeared logical to her would not to most other people.

And yet the scene told a 'logical' story. 

[maggie]

Then perhaps he should be tested by some independent psychiatrist and not someone working for the defence?

I agree.

[maggie]

And yet the scene told a 'logical' story. 

It's so gauche, I don't know, part of the problem for me is that there are too many uncertainties. No doubt I'd make a rubbish detective.

[Adam]

I agree with Lookouts post, I don't agree with everything Lookout posts. I am not a 'supporter' I think about others arguments and my own opinions as well, I simply am not sure either way.
I have no definite idea whether Sheila stayed alive for several hours, killed herself straight after or was killed by JB. I just meant that if Sheila carried out the murders she would have been in a psychotic mental state therefore what appeared logical to her would not to most other people.

Obviously all guilters believe Sheila had been dead several hours.

It is perfectly acceptable for supporters to also believe Sheila had killed herself before anyone arrived. It is only Jeremy and the OS who are bringing up wild claims about Sheila being alive when the police moved in.

[susan]

It's so gauche, I don't know, part of the problem for me is that there are too many uncertainties. No doubt I'd make a rubbish detective.

Maggie I agree with what you say but things that worry me is why was Sheila so clean and the phone calls if Sheila did shoot herself why do it next to her Mother she was not close to her and as Colin said she would have died with her wee boys .  I still keep thinking of the wallet incident and we do not know for sure if he was in the house previously and did not need to climb in through a window.

[Caroline]

It's so gauche, I don't know, part of the problem for me is that there are too many uncertainties. No doubt I'd make a rubbish detective.

Well, to be fair, we are looking through info posted on a 'pro Bamber' forum. I imagine that it's hard not to post info that is weighted in favour of Jeremy. The problem for me, is that much of it flies in the face of what is being claimed on the OS and often Jeremy himself.

[Caroline]

Maggie I agree with what you say but things that worry me is why was Sheila so clean and the phone calls if Sheila did shoot herself why do it next to her Mother she was not close to her and as Colin said she would have died with her wee boys .  I still keep thinking of the wallet incident and we do not know for sure if he was in the house previously and did not need to climb in through a window.

Personally, I think he was already in the house - I think he came back and I think it was him who brought home the trailer, not Nevill.

[Adam]

Personally, I think he was already in the house - I think he came back and I think it was him who brought home the trailer, not Nevill.

Did he hide under the sofa ?

How did he phone Julie ?

Can't see a problem with him cycling back to WHF on June's bike he had taken. It was a quick, easy journey and no one would see him.

Then getting through an already loosened or opened bathroom window.

[maggie]

Obviously all guilters believe Sheila had been dead several hours.

It is perfectly acceptable for supporters to also believe Sheila had killed herself before anyone arrived. It is only Jeremy and the OS who are bringing up wild claims about Sheila being alive when the police moved in.

I have never said I believe Sheila was alive when the police moved in.  What's your point?

[susan]

Personally, I think he was already in the house - I think he came back and I think it was him who brought home the trailer, not Nevill.

Caroline

I remember you posting this theory early on and it makes more sense to me as he would not be going into any "unknowns" he could pick the right time where he would not be challenged.

[susan]

Did he hide under the sofa ?

How did he phone Julie ?

Can't see a problem with him cycling back to WHF on June's bike he had taken. It was a quick, easy journey and no one would see him.

Then getting through an already loosened or opened bathroom window.

Adam why would he need to hide anywhere.  He phoned Julie after he had murdered his family when he arrived back at his own home on foot yes leaving through the window.

[maggie]

Maggie I agree with what you say but things that worry me is why was Sheila so clean and the phone calls if Sheila did shoot herself why do it next to her Mother she was not close to her and as Colin said she would have died with her wee boys .  I still keep thinking of the wallet incident and we do not know for sure if he was in the house previously and did not need to climb in through a window.

Susan, I I have never been convinced about Nevill's phone call to the police, it doesn't ring true to me but if you're desperate you could convince yourself it happened.  We may think Sheila would have killed herself with her boys because that's the logical answer but Sheila wouldn't have been in a logical frame of mind, surely?

[maggie]

Personally, I think he was already in the house - I think he came back and I think it was him who brought home the trailer, not Nevill.

I find the idea he was already in the house more believable and have always thought myself it was far more of a possibility than rambling through fields in the pitch black and climbing through windows in the pitch black with dogs barking.

[Adam]

I have never said I believe Sheila was alive when the police moved in.  What's your point?

It's a discussion board.

If everyone agrees that Sheila was dead before everyone arrived, that is a major move in the right direction.

There is no evidence she was alive. Just fanciful claims by Jeremy/the OS.

It seems there is no reason she would stay alive for so along. As well as hide from view and make no noises. Before amazingly walk upstairs and commit suicide after the police move in. The only reason given is that there is no set rule on how one would act while in a 'crazy' state.

If we are all in agreement that Sheila was dead before the police arrive, there is one thing that is established - Jeremy is grasping at straws.

The next thing to look at is did the condition of Sheila show her to be the killer ?

[maggie]

Adam why would he need to hide anywhere.  He phoned Julie after he had murdered his family when he arrived back at his own home on foot yes leaving through the window.

Don't you ever question any part of the windows theory, Adam?