Familiar Portrait?

[susan]

Maybe not in their own head but the belief is a psychopath should be clever and manipulative enough to reach their goals without killing, the theory is therefore that a psychopath who kills has lost control and therefore failed.

Maggie that is very interesting did not know that I am learning more about psychopaths all the time on this forum

[Jane]

I doubt if he had that quality either. Not the desiring type I'm afraid.

Desire comes in many forms, Lookout. We all need a modicum at least to prevent us being brain dead. Jeremy probably had more than most. He desired good clothes and as YOU noted, fine wines. He cared enough about his appearance to colour his hair -I'll bet he couldn't go past a mirror without admiring himself. He liked good hotels and expensive holidays. In fact there was NOTHING that Jeremy desired that could be called common or garden. It all required money which was the thing he desired above all. I don't know who is the slob you keep talking about.

[Jane]

Maybe not in their own head but the belief is a psychopath should be clever and manipulative enough to reach their goals without killing, the theory is therefore that a psychopath who kills has lost control and therefore failed.

To a psychopath the need to kill is a means to an end -like opening a safe, perhaps- and no more than something which needs to be done. Loss of control involves emotion, something psychopaths are short on.

[maggie]

To a psychopath the need to kill is a means to an end -like opening a safe, perhaps- and no more than something which needs to be done. Loss of control involves emotion, something psychopaths are short on.

I was quoting Bob Hare April, he is highly knowledgeable about psychopaths as I'm sure you know. I imagine he doesn't mean loss of emotional control but rather that such a person  made a bad choice by killing which put them in a vulnerable position........  if you see what I mean.

[Jane]

I was quoting Bob Hare April, he is highly knowledgeable about psychopaths as I'm sure you know.

I do indeed Maggie, but it seems to me that what he is offering here is his opinion, eminent though it is, and not necessarily what a psychopath thinks of their own behaviour. His belief that psychopaths SHOULD be clever and manipulative enough to reach goal without killing rather suggests that all of us are so gullible that we'd allow it to happen. The majority DON'T/won't EVER kill.

[maggie]

I do indeed Maggie, but it seems to me that what he is offering here is his opinion, eminent though it is, and not necessarily what a psychopath thinks of their own behaviour. His belief that psychopaths SHOULD be clever and manipulative enough to reach goal without killing rather suggests that all of us are so gullible that we'd allow it to happen. The majority DON'T/won't EVER kill.

Yes, I agree it's his opinion, I didn't say it was the killers opinion, I find it an interesting observation.

[SaraT]

Wow some of you have spent a lot of time completely making up scenarios of how JB may have behaved in a grandiose fashion while working at Little Chef ! How do you ever manage to sleep for thinking about him?

[maggie]

Wow some of you have spent a lot of time completely making up scenarios of how JB may have behaved in a grandiose fashion while working at Little Chef ! How do you ever manage to sleep for thinking about him?

[Jane]

Wow some of you have spent a lot of time completely making up scenarios of how JB may have behaved in a grandiose fashion while working at Little Chef ! How do you ever manage to sleep for thinking about him?

As none of his fellow employees were asked and none of us were there all we can do is offer how he MAY have behaved. As there are only so many behaviours which would have been acceptable one of our suggestions is likely to be correct.

[susan]

Wow some of you have spent a lot of time completely making up scenarios of how JB may have behaved in a grandiose fashion while working at Little Chef ! How do you ever manage to sleep for thinking about him?

 

[Alias]

Wow some of you have spent a lot of time completely making up scenarios of how JB may have behaved in a grandiose fashion while working at Little Chef ! How do you ever manage to sleep for thinking about him?

Hahaha, simple, we don´t sleep! Some of us toss and turn all night long trying to figure out good things to say about JB, the other half toss and turn all night long trying to figure out the nastiest possible to come up with! 

[SaraT]

As none of his fellow employees were asked and none of us were there all we can do is offer how he MAY have behaved. As there are only so many behaviours which would have been acceptable one of our suggestions is likely to be correct.

As none of his fellow employees were asked and none of you were there, go out for a walk or something! You might as well ponder about whether or not he laughed maniacally while he was in the shower or perhaps sang a selection of songs from the shows! Who cares

[Jan]

Caroline, I have yet to come across anyone of those who knew him pre murders who supports the description Lookout paints of him. Come to think of it, I've yet to meet anyone who knew June to describe her the way Lookout does.

I think we have to ask ourselves why did Colin portray her that way?

he wrote the book after he knew JB had been convicted - so why bother ?

I felt quite uncomfortable about his portrayal . But why would he lie ? And why even would he write the things he did . And the letter .

Was he influenced by sheilas perception ? Or his childrens? Rather than the truth?

[maggie]

Hahaha, simple, we don´t sleep! Some of us toss and turn all night long trying to figure out good things to say about JB, the other half toss and turn all night long trying to figure out the nastiest possible to come up with! 

 

[susan]

 

love it Alias