Rifle that was originally taken off Shiela's body - had a strap...

[sandy]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

That, possibly, tells us that Robert Boutflour was worried that there might be some unfired bullets in the magazine with Shiela's fingerprints on them, however the magazine was empty.

Why do you think Robert Boutflour would be worried labaleb, it isn't as if the whole incident wasn't witnessed by someone who is alive still.   No mystery on that one!!   

[sandy]

Those relatives and the badgering of the police to get Jeremy arrested this case reminds me of the Bolger case I read the murder would probably never have been done by one boy but when there was a connection between these troubled affected two boys it resulted in murder

You have the relatives that hated Jeremy with a passion tried to make out he was gay tried to make out he hated his parents was the cuckoo in the next not really family and handsome as well.

Jeremy inheriting and being in control was more than they could bear


Julie Mugford after the murders probably had her life mapped out wouldn't even have to work now

Then dreams in tatters after being dumped not only dumped finds out JB s been sleeping with her friends

He now has enough money he can travel the world if he wants without even taking a backward glance

Imagine how many girls would be available now he was handsome and rich

She realises there is virtually no chance of them getting back together

She is furious and humiliated
More than she can bare

JB would not have been convicted without jms testimony

JB would not have been convicted without the relatives silencer find

This to me is why JB is in prison

A lethal combination of two people who hated JB for different reasons

One would not have worked without the other

There is no doubt that Jeremy hated his parents, his sister and his nephews. He went about blabbing as much to just about anyone who would listen as far as the evidence shows.  What a plonker!

[Alias]

Those relatives and the badgering of the police to get Jeremy arrested this case reminds me of the Bolger case I read the murder would probably never have been done by one boy but when there was a connection between these troubled affected two boys it resulted in murder

You have the relatives that hated Jeremy with a passion tried to make out he was gay tried to make out he hated his parents was the cuckoo in the next not really family and handsome as well.

Jeremy inheriting and being in control was more than they could bear


Julie Mugford after the murders probably had her life mapped out wouldn't even have to work now

Then dreams in tatters after being dumped not only dumped finds out JB s been sleeping with her friends

He now has enough money he can travel the world if he wants without even taking a backward glance

Imagine how many girls would be available now he was handsome and rich

She realises there is virtually no chance of them getting back together

She is furious and humiliated
More than she can bare

JB would not have been convicted without jms testimony

JB would not have been convicted without the relatives silencer find

This to me is why JB is in prison

A lethal combination of two people who hated JB for different reasons

One would not have worked without the other

There is no doubt that Jeremy hated his parents, his sister and his nephews. He went about blabbing as much to just about anyone who would listen as far as the evidence shows.  What a plonker!

Apart from Julie Mugford, who has said that? And I don´t think he said he hated his nephews or Sheila - just that they were disturbed (if we can trust Julie´s account.)

[sandy]

Those relatives and the badgering of the police to get Jeremy arrested this case reminds me of the Bolger case I read the murder would probably never have been done by one boy but when there was a connection between these troubled affected two boys it resulted in murder

You have the relatives that hated Jeremy with a passion tried to make out he was gay tried to make out he hated his parents was the cuckoo in the next not really family and handsome as well.

Jeremy inheriting and being in control was more than they could bear


Julie Mugford after the murders probably had her life mapped out wouldn't even have to work now

Then dreams in tatters after being dumped not only dumped finds out JB s been sleeping with her friends

He now has enough money he can travel the world if he wants without even taking a backward glance

Imagine how many girls would be available now he was handsome and rich

She realises there is virtually no chance of them getting back together

She is furious and humiliated
More than she can bare

JB would not have been convicted without jms testimony

JB would not have been convicted without the relatives silencer find

This to me is why JB is in prison

A lethal combination of two people who hated JB for different reasons

One would not have worked without the other

There is no doubt that Jeremy hated his parents, his sister and his nephews. He went about blabbing as much to just about anyone who would listen as far as the evidence shows.  What a plonker!

Apart from Julie Mugford, who has said that? And I don´t think he said he hated his nephews or Sheila - just that they were disturbed (if we can trust Julie´s account.)

Oh believe me it was common knowledge within the family, the employees and the villagers who came into contact with him.

[Kaldin]

while fingerprints can linger for a while on an object...others using it later on will mess up long standing ones.

What is to be noted is that Sheila only came to whf a few days before so her fingerprints on 3 weapons  at least within such a short space of time is noteworthy of being unusual. It is not conclusive but if viewed from circumstantial angle it builds weight as to the contention of Sheila being responsible for killing the others.

Yes, it would be very significant. Unfortunately, I haven't yet seen any evidence that her fingerprints were on two other guns, even though I have asked for that.

[sandy]

while fingerprints can linger for a while on an object...others using it later on will mess up long standing ones.

What is to be noted is that Sheila only came to whf a few days before so her fingerprints on 3 weapons  at least within such a short space of time is noteworthy of being unusual. It is not conclusive but if viewed from circumstantial angle it builds weight as to the contention of Sheila being responsible for killing the others.

Yes, it would be very significant. Unfortunately, I haven't yet seen any evidence that her fingerprints were on two other guns, even though I have asked for that.

Maybe she dusted them when doing her chores.

[chochokeira]

It that is true it doesn't mean to say she actually handled a gun.

and pigs will fly...

[chochokeira]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

How do you know that RB's statement was the truth, Kaldin? For all you know it could have been a half truth, sexed up to make a minor incident appear to be to be something more sinister.

[Kaldin]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

How do you know that RB's statement was the truth, Kaldin? For all you know it could have been a half truth, sexed up to make a minor incident appear to be to be something more sinister.

I don't know if it's the truth, but if it is, then it shows that June was worried about Sheila having access to guns for some reason.

[sandy]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

How do you know that RB's statement was the truth, Kaldin? For all you know it could have been a half truth, sexed up to make a minor incident appear to be to be something more sinister.

Because it was corroborated Keira.

[sandy]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

How do you know that RB's statement was the truth, Kaldin? For all you know it could have been a half truth, sexed up to make a minor incident appear to be to be something more sinister.

Because it was corroborated Keira.

By Pamela Boutflour.

[smiffy]

RB's claims have a strong ring of fabrication about them  in my view.

[John]

We know what that's worth.

[lebaleb]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

So they took her on a shooting holiday??