Rifle that was originally taken off Shiela's body - had a strap...

[Kaldin]

It was Jeremy and Jeremy alone who put the idea of a mad gun-woman romping around the farmhouse in the minds of the police.

And? If someone had gone to the house and found the bodies, don't you think the police would have come to the same conclusion - seeing as the gun was found on Sheila's body.

[smiffy]

good point kaldin

[sandy]

It was Jeremy and Jeremy alone who put the idea of a mad gun-woman romping around the farmhouse in the minds of the police.

And? If someone had gone to the house and found the bodies, don't you think the police would have come to the same conclusion - seeing as the gun was found on Sheila's body.

You missed the point Kaldin.

Jeremy chose not to make a 999 call, drove slowly to the farmhouse, gave misleading information about his sister and her knowledge of guns to create as long a delay as possible before the bodies were discovered.

[Kaldin]

It was Jeremy and Jeremy alone who put the idea of a mad gun-woman romping around the farmhouse in the minds of the police.

And? If someone had gone to the house and found the bodies, don't you think the police would have come to the same conclusion - seeing as the gun was found on Sheila's body.

You missed the point Kaldin.

Jeremy chose not to make a 999 call, drove slowly to the farmhouse, gave misleading information about his sister and her knowledge of guns to create as long a delay as possible before the bodies were discovered.

That's pure speculation. I always challenge the "Jeremy is innocent" type speculation, and I'll challenge your "Jeremy is guilty" speculation in just the same way.

If Jeremy wanted to create a delay, all he had to do was not ring the police when he did.

[HMEssex]

No, several actually.

June's sister, Pamela Boutflour, testified that Sheila was not a violent person, and said she had never known her to use a gun. June's niece, Ann Eaton, said Sheila "would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another"

So which relative took Sheila on a shooting holiday to Scotland?

[John]

It that is true it doesn't mean to say she actually handled a gun.

[sandy]

Sheila was taught how to fire guns, including shotguns, whilst on a shooting holiday in Scotland with David Boutflour. Photographs of Sheila holding guns are held by the family.

[John]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

[lebaleb]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

That, possibly, tells us that Robert Boutflour was worried that there might be some unfired bullets in the magazine with Shiela's fingerprints on them, however the magazine was empty. 

[Kaldin]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

[mike tesko]

To infer that Sheila used weapons just because her prints were on some of them is far beyond what can be called reasonable speculation.  The facts are that Sheila hated guns and never fired one in her adult life.

Fingerprints found on guns could be years old or weeks old, there is no way of telling.

... At least one gun was found on her body, and removed three times, by three different police officers - so, the police must have been pretty covinced that Shiela handled that gun...

[mike tesko]

Plus, they found Shiela's fingerprints on the .22 air rifle, and also on the 12 bore shotgun found in the same gun cupboard as the silencer...

[smiffy]

while fingerprints can linger for a while on an object...others using it later on will mess up long standing ones.

What is to be noted is that Sheila only came to whf a few days before so her fingerprints on 3 weapons  at least within such a short space of time is noteworthy of being unusual. It is not conclusive but if viewed from circumstantial angle it builds weight as to the contention of Sheila being responsible for killing the others.

[chochokeira]

There is an interesting part in one of Robert Boutflours statement when he recalls an incident at White House farm when June called him over one afternoon and asked for his thoughts on a matter.

She told him that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load ammo into the magazine belonging to the .22 rifle.  Sheila was not interested apparently and didn't want anything to do with it but Jeremy was forcing her to do it.  Roberts recalled that he told June that that was the last thing Jeremy should be doing.

What does that tell us folks?

It tells me that June was very worried about Sheila having access to guns, and that Robert Boutflour agreed with her.

It tells me too to beware of uncritically accepting statements incriminating Jeremy Bamber from a man who, once fragile gran Speakman died a few months hence, could presumably have lost a substantial share of the home he merely rented from Gran, its owner, if the court found Bamber to be innocent.

That this man stated at JB's trial that he did not stand to gain from JB being found guilty leads me to be even more beware of this man's statements.

AE, in her second - 72 page - statement, admits that she misled the police on this issue by claiming in her first statement that her father, Robert Boutflour, owned the farm he lived in when the truth was that Gran Speakman owned it and that it would have been part of Gran's estate when she died.

[Jackiepreece]

Those relatives and the badgering of the police to get Jeremy arrested this case reminds me of the Bolger case I read the murder would probably never have been done by one boy but when there was a connection between these troubled affected two boys it resulted in murder

You have the relatives that hated Jeremy with a passion tried to make out he was gay tried to make out he hated his parents was the cuckoo in the next not really family and handsome as well.

Jeremy inheriting and being in control was more than they could bear


Julie Mugford after the murders probably had her life mapped out wouldn't even have to work now

Then dreams in tatters after being dumped not only dumped finds out JB s been sleeping with her friends

He now has enough money he can travel the world if he wants without even taking a backward glance

Imagine how many girls would be available now he was handsome and rich

She realises there is virtually no chance of them getting back together

She is furious and humiliated
More than she can bare

JB would not have been convicted without jms testimony

JB would not have been convicted without the relatives silencer find

This to me is why JB is in prison

A lethal combination of two people who hated JB for different reasons

One would not have worked without the other