The meeting with The Sun newspaper:

[vidvic]

He would even sometimes have to collect Police cars that were being decommissioned and is a popular job with people that have criminal records as no checks are done.

[vidvic]

Yes April....totally agree....PII is completely overplayed

[guest154]

He would even sometimes have to collect Police cars that were being decommissioned and is a popular job with people that have criminal records as no checks are done.

Wait... Z ain't real?!

[vidvic]

Lol...afraid not Mat...it's as fake as my Basil Brush signed T Shirt....lol

[guest154]

Lol...afraid not Mat...it's as fake as my Basil Brush signed T Shirt....lol

 

[vidvic]

I'll say goodnight and cheerio, ascould well be banned in the morning!

[gringo]

I agree, I am speaking to Adam and his particular argument that the Sun would not lie etc. it is an argument built on sand and he needs to find a better one.

I would like him to acknowledge that The Sun Newspaper did lie for the police in the 1980s, and did cash in on tragedy, it may seem irrelevant but it certainly isn't for the 96 people who died at Hillsborough or their families, or to the fans who were accused of being responsible and the subsequent ruination of lives.

Sorry to go on but I feel it needs saying.

   Hi Maggie, to be borne in mind for anyone regarding the Sun as a reliable source is the ongoing perjury trial of Andy Coulson in Scotland. Aside from the fact that Coulson committed his alleged perjury in a perjury trial(you couldn't make this shit up ), the trial sheds some light on the "journalistic" methods of News International as an organisation.
     As an example of the sort of information that News International pays(corrupts public servants) police officers for, the trial is currently hearing evidence of the leaking of Milly Dowlers voicemails from the police to the News of the World. They also hacked the phones of Milly Dowler's parents and the phones of the widows of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    It is obvious that nothing is too low for them in the search for salacious gossip when tragedy occurs. This is who News International and their sleazy publications are. They lie, commit perjury, hack the phones of dead schoolgirls and war widows, corrupt public officials and police officers.
    The Sun story has zero credibility to anyone reasonable. I wouldn't believe it regardless of my stance on guilt/innocence because the source has no credibility. Any information that the Sun had about photos was most likely obtained via their usual means.
    We can fairly surmise that the relatives had established contact with the press and were attempting to smear Jeremy via the press from Colin's own witness statement 11th September where he states, "At about 9am on Monday 9.9.85 I received a phone call from David Boutflour to the effect that "we" had all been making statements to the police and we are sure that Sheila couldn't have pulled the trigger. He wouldn't say anymore and that I should be prepared for a bombshell in the press on Tuesday 10.9.85. I asked him if Jeremy knew about it and David said that he knew."
    I think it is fair to assume that the one of the first things Sun reporters would have been attempting to uncover in the aftermath of this tragedy, such are their journalistic and ethical standards, would have been racy pictures or stories connected to the dead model.
    Their methods have been laid bare by Leveson and the many criminal trials that have followed and to any reasonable person their word is worth nothing. They are a national joke and have been shown to deliberately lie on behalf of the police so many times that relying on this source is desperate stuff.

[nugnug]

very good points gringo.

[Caroline]

   Hi Maggie, to be borne in mind for anyone regarding the Sun as a reliable source is the ongoing perjury trial of Andy Coulson in Scotland. Aside from the fact that Coulson committed his alleged perjury in a perjury trial(you couldn't make this shit up ), the trial sheds some light on the "journalistic" methods of News International as an organisation.
     As an example of the sort of information that News International pays(corrupts public servants) police officers for, the trial is currently hearing evidence of the leaking of Milly Dowlers voicemails from the police to the News of the World. They also hacked the phones of Milly Dowler's parents and the phones of the widows of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    It is obvious that nothing is too low for them in the search for salacious gossip when tragedy occurs. This is who News International and their sleazy publications are. They lie, commit perjury, hack the phones of dead schoolgirls and war widows, corrupt public officials and police officers.
    The Sun story has zero credibility to anyone reasonable. I wouldn't believe it regardless of my stance on guilt/innocence because the source has no credibility. Any information that the Sun had about photos was most likely obtained via their usual means.
    We can fairly surmise that the relatives had established contact with the press and were attempting to smear Jeremy via the press from Colin's own witness statement 11th September where he states, "At about 9am on Monday 9.9.85 I received a phone call from David Boutflour to the effect that "we" had all been making statements to the police and we are sure that Sheila couldn't have pulled the trigger. He wouldn't say anymore and that I should be prepared for a bombshell in the press on Tuesday 10.9.85. I asked him if Jeremy knew about it and David said that he knew."
    I think it is fair to assume that the one of the first things Sun reporters would have been attempting to uncover in the aftermath of this tragedy, such are their journalistic and ethical standards, would have been racy pictures or stories connected to the dead model.
    Their methods have been laid bare by Leveson and the many criminal trials that have followed and to any reasonable person their word is worth nothing. They are a national joke and have been shown to deliberately lie on behalf of the police so many times that relying on this source is desperate stuff.

You might think lots of thing are 'fair to assume' but the FACT that Colin corroborates the description of the photographs is proof enough that they existed. The OS is suggesting that didn't exist when quite clearly - they did. Why make this lie up? You can bandy 'Leveson' as often as you like it has no bearing whatsoever on Jeremy trying to peddle pictures of his dead sister. Colin is the proof, not The Sun!!   

[gringo]

the os verson of eents says that jeremy told the sun that colin might have some pictures of sheila.

  Colin did have some Nugs. Again according to Colin's own statement,
       "On Saturday 76th September I went to Sheila's flat at 2 Morshead Mansions. There I saw jeremy Bamber, Sheilas brother. we sat in the sitting room chatting generally. I had gone to the flat to sort out some of the property( clothes, toys) which belonged to my twin sons.
       Jeremy had cleaned up the flat and had placed my sons belongings into plastic bags.
       There were a number of photographs these being about four albums of family shots, some prints from Sheila's modelling folio and a box of slides, numbering approximately twenty four.
       The slides had been professionally taken and were of Sheila in various states of undress in a paddling pool. I think I would describe these slides as "soft pornography" as they were quite explicit in detail.
      I asked Jeremy if I could take the slides so that I could destroy them. He agreed that I could take them, which I did...."

      Colin goes on to say that there were further slides of a similar nature which were at his house in Goldhanger, which Jeremy agreed that Colin could also have. It was before arrangements had been made to collect these slides that the Sun story appeared, although it was after Colin found out about the slides and at around the same time as the relatives were warning about "bombshells in the press".

[nugnug]

are very intresting so the story on the offical site is perfectly consitent with colins statement.

[scipio_usmc]

  Colin did have some Nugs. Again according to Colin's own statement,
       "On Saturday 76th September I went to Sheila's flat at 2 Morshead Mansions. There I saw jeremy Bamber, Sheilas brother. we sat in the sitting room chatting generally. I had gone to the flat to sort out some of the property( clothes, toys) which belonged to my twin sons.
       Jeremy had cleaned up the flat and had placed my sons belongings into plastic bags.
       There were a number of photographs these being about four albums of family shots, some prints from Sheila's modelling folio and a box of slides, numbering approximately twenty four.
       The slides had been professionally taken and were of Sheila in various states of undress in a paddling pool. I think I would describe these slides as "soft pornography" as they were quite explicit in detail.
      I asked Jeremy if I could take the slides so that I could destroy them. He agreed that I could take them, which I did...."

      Colin goes on to say that there were further slides of a similar nature which were at his house in Goldhanger, which Jeremy agreed that Colin could also have. It was before arrangements had been made to collect these slides that the Sun story appeared, although it was after Colin found out about the slides and at around the same time as the relatives were warning about "bombshells in the press".

So let's see:

1) Jeremy talked about selling them and the Sun said no

2) Jeremy then Let Colin find out about them and since the were of no use agreed to let Collin have them

3) The Sun screwed him by refusing to pay him and instead did a story about how scummy he was that he wanted to sell them to the Sun and they paid nothing for such a great hatchet job.

So in sum- the irony...

[Caroline]

  Colin did have some Nugs. Again according to Colin's own statement,
       "On Saturday 76th September I went to Sheila's flat at 2 Morshead Mansions. There I saw jeremy Bamber, Sheilas brother. we sat in the sitting room chatting generally. I had gone to the flat to sort out some of the property( clothes, toys) which belonged to my twin sons.
       Jeremy had cleaned up the flat and had placed my sons belongings into plastic bags.
       There were a number of photographs these being about four albums of family shots, some prints from Sheila's modelling folio and a box of slides, numbering approximately twenty four.
       The slides had been professionally taken and were of Sheila in various states of undress in a paddling pool. I think I would describe these slides as "soft pornography" as they were quite explicit in detail.
      I asked Jeremy if I could take the slides so that I could destroy them. He agreed that I could take them, which I did...."

      Colin goes on to say that there were further slides of a similar nature which were at his house in Goldhanger, which Jeremy agreed that Colin could also have. It was before arrangements had been made to collect these slides that the Sun story appeared, although it was after Colin found out about the slides and at around the same time as the relatives were warning about "bombshells in the press".

These are not the photographs in question, Jeremy gave Colin the slides mentioned above but he never actually saw the pictures that Jeremy described to both him and the journalist. Nice try! 

[Adam]

Thank you Gringo.

I have said several times that there must have been photos at Sheila's flat. She was a model. I didn't know there were four albums worth. This would have been a treasure trove for Jeremy.

It is no surprise Jeremy found them. He had been making the flat into his London based bachelor pad.

[Adam]

I appreciate supporters have to go down the discrediting of The Sun route on this issue.

However the OS backs up a lot of The Sun's claims -

The meeting happened.

Brett was there.

Photos were discussed.

No photos were provided at the meeting. 


I assume money was discussed. Jeremy would agree to give his life story and/or pictures to The Sun for nothing. He didn't in his NOTW negotiations.