Facts

[Jane]

Pity the 'oh so' astute relatives weren't so astute about Sheila. Even if you were correct in what you assert above - none of it makes any difference if Sheila is capable and motivated to carry out killings. There were two siblings.

Imagine if something had befallen Jeremy, June and Nevill? In those circs, I don't know what part of the estate would have been left to Sheila (possibly nothing on the farming / land side) - but let's just say there was.  I'd bet money on Bobby and Ann going out of their way in trying to make out that Sheila was mentally unfit for such an inheritance.

Well, again we have the age gap. From what I've been told, there were no foundations for any relationship between Ann and Sheila, although I believe David 'chaperoned' her from time to time. He, like several guys I know, MAY, at one time have had the 'hots' for her. Sheila, according to those who have spoken to me, had her eyes set on being other than a farmer's wife, which is fair enough for someone not born into the farming fraternity. That being said, I don't think Sheila loomed large in their lives OR concerns re the family business. If they knew very little about her, I don't think they can be blamed for this. June, so I'm told by those who knew her, was never very open when it came to speaking about her children.

There's little point in us speculating on "what if.............." primarily because I imagine Nevill was an astute enough business man to have sorted out everything financial. I'm certain he was savvy enough NOT to have given Sheila any controlling factor in the business. I don't believe the Boutflour's had a problem with inheritance per se, it was more about what would have occurred to a family business they'd poured their hearts and souls into, if someone, who had little/NO interest in it, other than financial, should get their hands on it.

[Stephanie]

Further, you only need look at AE's long statement to see how the relatives were pampering to his every whim. Who cleaned up the farmhouse after the murders? What was Jeremy focused on when his family had just been slaughtered?

AE very sensibly took notes whilst Jeremy was being interviewed in relation to his witness. Yet, you appear to see this act as suspicious? Why? If anything she was protecting her family; which very much included Jeremy. She talks about elderly relatives and of protecting them also in relation to the news of the murders. Point me to where Jeremy ever did this. Never mind any friends he may or may not have had.

I used to get annoyed that SH didn't appear to have any genuine friends or family members looking out for his best interests. I've concluded they knew things about SH and saw things in him that I did not. And the reason for me not seeing what they could see was because I had fallen for his manipulative and deceptive ways.

The relatives were all running around Jeremy after that fateful night/morning, all the time he was looking out for his own interests.

Insisting his murdered family members were cremated as they were no longer whole? What a crock..

Where is the signed note made by Jeremy to have his families remains cremated btw?

AE appears to have attempted to accommodated everyone following the murders, and the last person she appears to have thought about was herself. Not only must she have been terrified she must have been exhausted. And you wonder why they have the attitude they have now? Good for them. They figured Jeremy out for what he was/is.

[guest7363]

Maybe they were terrified Bamber would rob them again?

[Stephanie]

Maybe they were terrified Bamber would rob them again?

Why can't they see it Justice?

It's as clear as day, the only one interested in and focused on money is/was Jeremy! His attitude has never changed.

AE pointed out he showed no remorse for having left the gun out. Why didn't he show any remorse.

People need to go back to the basics of this case as though the murders have just happened and follow the evidence from there. Not pick up 5,10 or 20 years later on some point Bamber has used in a later appeal. He's manufactured all of these aspects in order to brainwash his followers.

[lookout]

As I remember back in the 80's,things were very tough,financially and interest rates were about 12/13%,which was great if you had money in the bank and investments--------but if you were paying business loans,mortgages,etc. it was crippling. A lot of people were in dire straits at this point so was it any wonder that RWB was paying visits to grannie,cap in hand ?
This was an extremely worrying time for a lot of people and it hit them hard. It was at this time that we  had a death in the family where the deceased had died intestate,so if anyone knows about problems arising during this particular time,1986,it's myself ( yes,ME again )
I can see from this point of view,how and why the relatives would have been more than eager to have seen the end of their financial struggle,plus,I can " partly " empathise if their thoughts had turned to the fact that an " incompetent playboy " was going to end up holding the reins of a flourishing family business,while they struggled on working their fingers to the bone trying to make ends meet.

But------at a time like that,any sentiment/s for the deceased is rapidly replaced by the thought of money ! Particularly after a solicitor has brought everyone down to earth after the reading of the will,or in our case,no will which is worse ! Once the state of a will has been digested and monies divided,is when the trouble begins. Even dying intestate,if families aren't close,you also have trouble," cuckoo " or not.
It would,in my estimation,have been when the relatives had seen the contents of the Bamber's will that minds/attitudes and thoughts of the deceased would have been quickly changed. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that stage.
There's nothing like going through these experiences yourself in gaining an insight into what makes people tick,and also seeing what brings out the worst in them and I'm convinced that this went a long way in sealing Jeremy's fate.

[Stephanie]

As I remember back in the 80's,things were very tough,financially and interest rates were about 12/13%,which was great if you had money in the bank and investments--------but if you were paying business loans,mortgages,etc. it was crippling. A lot of people were in dire straits at this point so was it any wonder that RWB was paying visits to grannie,cap in hand ?
This was an extremely worrying time for a lot of people and it hit them hard. It was at this time that we  had a death in the family where the deceased had died intestate,so if anyone knows about problems arising during this particular time,1986,it's myself ( yes,ME again )
I can see from this point of view,how and why the relatives would have been more than eager to have seen the end of their financial struggle,plus,I can " partly " empathise if their thoughts had turned to the fact that an " incompetent playboy " was going to end up holding the reins of a flourishing family business,while they struggled on working their fingers to the bone trying to make ends meet.

But------at a time like that,any sentiment/s for the deceased is rapidly replaced by the thought of money ! Particularly after a solicitor has brought everyone down to earth after the reading of the will,or in our case,no will which is worse ! Once the state of a will has been digested and monies divided,is when the trouble begins. Even dying intestate,if families aren't close,you also have trouble," cuckoo " or not.
It would,in my estimation,have been when the relatives had seen the contents of the Bamber's will that minds/attitudes and thoughts of the deceased would have been quickly changed. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that stage.
There's nothing like going through these experiences yourself in gaining an insight into what makes people tick,and also seeing what brings out the worst in them and I'm convinced that this went a long way in sealing Jeremy's fate.

This is about the Jeremy Bamber case Lookout, not you. Why don't you do as Jackie has done and set up a separate thread so that you can vent, instead of taking threads off topic and making them all about you.

[Caroline]

Why can't they see it Justice?

It's as clear as day, the only one interested in and focused on money is/was Jeremy! His attitude has never changed.

AE pointed out he showed no remorse for having left the gun out. Why didn't he show any remorse.

People need to go back to the basics of this case as though the murders have just happened and follow the evidence from there. Not pick up 5,10 or 20 years later on some point Bamber has used in a later appeal. He's manufactured all of these aspects in order to brainwash his followers.

I agree about the basics, that's what I did when I first had suspicions that Jeremy was guilty. It is easy to get carried away by the notion of 'greedy relatives' making good use of an opportunity to expand an empire. However, when it boils down to it, the deaths would have been a massive shock to them and if they had suspicions over Jeremy, they wouldn't want him part of their fold and who would?

[lookout]

This is about the Jeremy Bamber case Lookout, not you. Why don't you do as Jackie has done and set up a separate thread so that you can vent, instead of taking threads off topic and making them all about you.

It still refers to this case ! What's up with you ? You can ALWAYS have your say regarding SH,can't you ??

[lookout]

 Do as I say,not as I do-----is your motto,isn't it ? You've got your OWN " rant " thread but STILL choose to use these for SH,don't you ?
NEVER tell me what I can do !!

[Jane]

I agree about the basics, that's what I did when I first had suspicions that Jeremy was guilty. It is easy to get carried away by the notion of 'greedy relatives' making good use of an opportunity to expand an empire. However, when it boils down to it, the deaths would have been a massive shock to them and if they had suspicions over Jeremy, they wouldn't want him part of their fold and who would?

You make a VERY good point, Caroline. Perhaps, because I've previously focused on/sided with Jeremy's position, I've not given a thought to how the wider family would have felt. Thinking about it, the Bambers had been known to them for far longer than had Jeremy and with the two bro's-in-law/business partners being married to the two sisters whose parents had started the business, even if they didn't seem to be emotionally close, they were tightly linked. The loss of June and Nevill must have been devastating beyond belief and yet they appeared to pull themselves together and deal with it. From what's been said, they appear to have had little choice because the only thing that Jeremy seemed interested, after arranging the funerals with unseemly and inappropriate haste, was getting his hands on as much ready cash, as quickly as possible.

[Caroline]

You make a VERY good point, Caroline. Perhaps, because I've previously focused on/sided with Jeremy's position, I've not given a thought to how the wider family would have felt. Thinking about it, the Bambers had been known to them for far longer than had Jeremy and with the two bro's-in-law/business partners being married to the two sisters whose parents had started the business, even if they didn't seem to be emotionally close, they were tightly linked. The loss of June and Nevill must have been devastating beyond belief and yet they appeared to pull themselves together and deal with it. From what's been said, they appear to have had little choice because the only thing that Jeremy seemed interested, after arranging the funerals with unseemly and inappropriate haste, was getting his hands on as much ready cash, as quickly as possible.

Exactly Jane! Nevill and June were linch pins and no one suffering such a loss would automatically think of the advantages. The loss together with the suspicion that Jeremy was responsible would be cause for some very sleepless nights and you would want him caught.

[lookout]

Exactly Jane! Nevill and June were linch pins and no one suffering such a loss would automatically think of the advantages. The loss together with the suspicion that Jeremy was responsible would be cause for some very sleepless nights and you would want him caught.

JB was very easily accessible though,wasn't he.Always saying where he'd be,or going.He didn't scarper as many would.

[lookout]

Would you tell the world you were going abroad if you'd " murdered " a whole family ?

[Jane]

JB was very easily accessible though,wasn't he.Always saying where he'd be,or going.He didn't scarper as many would.

I don't know what that has to do with anything. Looked at in another way he was expressing dominance and control. I wonder if he ever said he was planning to do, but if he was needed he'd put it off?

[Roch]

Exactly Jane! Nevill and June were linch pins and no one suffering such a loss would automatically think of the advantages. The loss together with the suspicion that Jeremy was responsible would be cause for some very sleepless nights and you would want him caught.

Except Ann had already identified Jeremy as a threat to their livelihood, prior to the killings. I think she informed 'dad and Peter' of the potential threat? They haven't exactly gone in to immediate post-killings period with an open mind have they?