Facts

[lookout]

Yes.. and don't forget, his only protection from corrupt police and scheming relatves was killed by his sister.  Nevill would have fended the lot of them off. Both the dodgy cops and the vultures.

Too right he would,well said.

[Jane]

Yes.. and don't forget, his only protection from corrupt police and scheming relatves was killed by his sister.  Nevill would have fended the lot of them off. Both the dodgy cops and the vultures.

Are you saying that Nevill, a magistrate, condoned Jeremy's 'boyish' japes? Robbing the family business? Growing and selling weed? Jeremy MAY have come to the conclusion that, courtesy of his father, he was above the law.

[Roch]

Are you saying that Nevill, a magistrate, condoned Jeremy's 'boyish' japes? Robbing the family business? Growing and selling weed? Jeremy MAY have come to the conclusion that, courtesy of his father, he was above the law.

No that wasn't what I was saying at all.

[Stephanie]

Yes.. and don't forget, his only protection from corrupt police and scheming relatves was killed by his sister.  Nevill would have fended the lot of them off. Both the dodgy cops and the vultures.

But this is supposition Roch, showing bias, therefore your argument holds no weight.

[lookout]

Roch's argument holds as much weight as everyone else's ! Does it not ?

[Stephanie]

Roch's argument holds as much weight as everyone else's ! Does it not ?

No it shows bias, he appears angry with the relatives & police.

[Stephanie]

Your posts show bias too,don't forget and you're forever wound-up about JB's guilty to the hilt anger.

I'm not involved emotionally with this case or the SH case. Therefore there is no bias one way or the other.

My aim is to empower victims of con artists Lookout and to encourage the victims to speak out. I was once a victim of a con artist and therefore I have first hand knowledge and experience. I can see clearly how Bamber manipulates and deceives others therefore by sharing some of my experiences I hope my posts will help others in some way.

It is people like you who appear wound up and angry with people like me.

[Roch]

But this is supposition Roch, showing bias, therefore your argument holds no weight.

Perhaps.  However, that doesn't mean I am wrong in asserting that... Jeremy Bamber was left without any protection, in the wake of both the killing of Nevill and the removal of DCI Jones.  It is probably a moot argument for obvious reasons - but although Uncle Bobby managed to get DCI Jones removed - he would not dared have shown his hand at all, with Nevill still around.

My opinion? Who is right in this case and who is wrong in this case - has not yet been fully decided.

[Stephanie]

Perhaps.  However, that doesn't mean I am wrong in asserting that... Jeremy Bamber was left without any protection, in the wake of both the killing of Nevill and the removal of DCI Jones.  It is probably a moot argument for obvious reasons - but although Uncle Bobby managed to get DCI Jones removed - he would not dared have shown his hand at all, with Nevill still around.

My opinion? Who is right in this case and who is wrong in this case - has not yet been fully decided.

That's a fair comment Roch and I accept it. Will PM you. Though would like to bring it back to the board.

Have decided to bring it back to the board...

What do you mean when you say Jeremy was left without protection. Do you mean he had no family member looking out for his best interests?

What about his legal team?

I can only use SH's case to try to understand this but the police originally believed the murder was sexual motivated. It annoys me that the police decided to drop this motive and wrongly pursue a burglary gone wrong motive. As the confession and disclosures that followed support this. As did a number of documents in the case files.

By doing so they swept an awful lot under the carpet. Like for example the dynamics of the Hall family. You see I believe the police knew they were a dysfunctional family and could have uncovered a lot more had they continued to follow the evidence.

There's never been any secret of the fact that I disliked SH's mother and brother, in particular. But my dislike for them got in the way of my objectivity following the Zenith burglary omission. Therefore rather than seeing SH for what he was, I mistakenly got taken in by his childhood disclosures, which kept my focus elsewhere.

This is what I perceive you to be doing.

Jeremy Bamber was responsible for his own actions that night, just as SH was.

Imo you should focus on Jeremy's evidence he gave to the police and during his trial and see the flaws in this before considering outside factors.

[Stephanie]

but although Uncle Bobby managed to get DCI Jones removed - he would not dared have shown his hand at all, with Nevill still around.

My opinion? Who is right in this case and who is wrong in this case - has not yet been fully decided.

I felt very similarly towards some of the Hall family. However is was the fact they dared to show their hands in the end that helped the truth unravel.

[Caroline]

Perhaps.  However, that doesn't mean I am wrong in asserting that... Jeremy Bamber was left without any protection, in the wake of both the killing of Nevill and the removal of DCI Jones.  It is probably a moot argument for obvious reasons - but although Uncle Bobby managed to get DCI Jones removed - he would not dared have shown his hand at all, with Nevill still around.

My opinion? Who is right in this case and who is wrong in this case - has not yet been fully decided.

There wouldn't have been any reason 'to show a hand' if Nevill was around. Unfortunately, someone made sure he wasn't.

[maggie]

" People like me ?" Are sick and bloody tired of MY posts being removed when YOU can say what you like !! It STINKS !!

I am sorry you feel this way Lookout but I do assure you many posters have had their posts removed over the past few days.

I try to be as fair as I possibly can be on this forum although I admit at times I miss things as I am not on here 24 hours a day.

I do not ever remove posts because I disagree with the opinions therein, I remove posts that I consider are abusive and personal, whoever has written them.

I cannot remove any posts because some posters don't agree with the sentiments or style of the post..

I am responsible for all posts removed and edited over the Christmas period and in fact over the past year.

I have always tried to give thought to a situation before editing and to be fair in any decision I make.

I have asked quite a few 'innocents' to mod with me but no one is willing to do it.  I would be really grateful for some help

Any offers??

[mike tesko]

Bamber must be seething.

The relatives, EP and Julie all working together to frame him. And that was just after Sheila had massacred his closest living relatives. And herself. Sheila didn't kill herself, she was shot once downstairs by 7.37am, and did not get shot a second time until after 8.44am, when the police surgeon, Dr Craig pronounced her as being dead, at a time when her body at that stage was on the far side of the bed with what appeared to be an entry wound to her neck. How could Jeremy possibly have had anything to do with arranging his sisters body upstairs on the bedroom floor after 8.44am, in possession of the only rifle found upstairs by police, which at 7.15am was resting against a first floor window. Not just any old first floor window, not even the main bedroom window of the same room her body ended up in, but by all accounts, the box room window in another part of the farmhouse!!! Imagine that then, Jeremy somehow having been capable or orchestrating his sisters body from kitchen downstairs to main bedroom upstairs, and to top it all off he somehow got hold of the rifle which at around 7.15am was resting against the box room window on the first floor, and he somehow inflicted the second shot which effectively killed her using that rifle which everybody knows was in a different room of the farmhouse just before the firearm officers went it to try to end the seige - by gum, Bamber was a very clever person to have managed all these activities involving his sisters body from kitchen to bedroom, and the rifle from the box room to the bedroom, right under the noses of all those firearm officers outside the farmhouse, and inside...

Great, that's it then, Bamber guilty, bring back hanging just for him...

[Stephanie]

Police: Do you know how your father died?

Bamber: I had read in the papers that he was shot in the head

Police: Is that all you know about how your father died?

Bamber: I think the police or I think you in fact said he died in the kitchen in his armchair by the stove  but I've also noticed in the kitchen the broken light slip up I've read many different stories in the press so its difficult to know what's true

Police: I am asking you about your father you say you have read in the paper that he was shot 7 times, sorry in the head what else have you read in the papers, only about your father

Bamber: I've read a lot and can't and don't want to remember anything Apart from the broken lampshade

Police: How do you think your father died

Bamber: No comment

Police: Julie said that after the shooting you told her certain things before I go any further what is the significance of the broken Lamp shade you mentioned

Bamber: Jean mentioned it and I noticed it and it wasn't broken before my parents died How would he know if he left the house around 10pm? More importantly he has just been asked how he thinks his father died and refuses to answer instead is focused on an object/the broken shade

Police: I will ask you how you think it got broken

Bamber: Can't comment It's NO comment NOT can't comment - he's slipped up again - He's playing games, also referred to as dupers delight
Because there could be many reasons it got broken, may be naturally, accidentally by a stray bullet etc. I wouldn't mind a break

Police: Just a few seconds

Bamber: No I will finish now

He insists on a break at this point

[Jane]

Police: Do you know how your father died?

Bamber: I had read in the papers that he was shot in the head

Police: Is that all you know about how your father died?

Bamber: I think the police or I think you in fact said he died in the kitchen in his armchair by the stove  but I've also noticed in the kitchen the broken light slip up I've read many different stories in the press so its difficult to know what's true

Police: I am asking you about your father you say you have read in the paper that he was shot 7 times, sorry in the head what else have you read in the papers, only about your father

Bamber: I've read a lot and can't and don't want to remember anything Apart from the broken lampshade

Police: How do you think your father died

Bamber: No comment

Police: Julie said that after the shooting you told her certain things before I go any further what is the significance of the broken Lamp shade you mentioned

Bamber: Jean mentioned it and I noticed it and it wasn't broken before my parents died How would he know if he left the house around 10pm? More importantly he has just been asked how he thinks his father died and refuses to answer instead is focused on an object/the broken shade

Police: I will ask you how you think it got broken

Bamber: Can't comment It's NO comment NOT can't comment - he's slipped up again - He's playing games, also referred to as dupers delight
Because there could be many reasons it got broken, may be naturally, accidentally by a stray bullet etc. I wouldn't mind a break

Police: Just a few seconds

Bamber: No I will finish now

He insists on a break at this point

So he took an interest in the family lampshades, did he? It's a rather unusual hobby, but I guess he MUST have looked up at it prior to the murders in order for him to know that it hadn't previously been damaged.