Facts

[lookout]

 Can anyone account for the two different ages which were recorded per call ? 26/27 ?

[scipio_usmc]

Can anyone account for the two different ages which were recorded per call ? 26/27 ?

Yes I accounted for it long ago and will cut and paste from such post since you are such a fan of my cuttting and pasting.

Either:

1) West accidentally told Bonnett a different age than West recorded on his log

or

2) Bonnett accidentally recorded a different age than West told him either because he heard it wrong or simply wrote the wrong thing in haste.  If someone is rattling off full sentences they are talking ahead of you.  Yo are recording things they said moments earlier instead of what they are saying at that exact moment and it is easy to misremember what they said.

These are the only possible explanations there are no others.

[lookout]

 " Accidentally ",you say. The other fact that the force couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman that they saw through the kitchen window--------------another " accident ?"

Thank God it wasn't my life which was hanging in the balance in a courtroom,where I was being tried for murder if these " accidents " kept cropping up.

Would you have been happy about the original investigation being withheld if it was you who were on trial,knowing you were innocent ? NONE of these files have seen daylight for 30 years. Phone-calls,times,etc.

[scipio_usmc]

" Accidentally ",you say. The other fact that the force couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman that they saw through the kitchen window--------------another " accident ?"

Thank God it wasn't my life which was hanging in the balance in a courtroom,where I was being tried for murder if these " accidents " kept cropping up.

Would you have been happy about the original investigation being withheld if it was you who were on trial,knowing you were innocent ? NONE of these files have seen daylight for 30 years. Phone-calls,times,etc.

Jeremy didn't give her correct age anyway.  But it made no difference since the only one in her 20s was Sheila. 

As for Nevill, his hair looked wild and from the back it is easy to see how one can think it was the body of an elderly woman. 

You nitpick the police because you have nothing valid to raise and try suggesting these things mean they must have committed other errors of significance.  It is not unlike when people pick on my typos to deflect from the fact they can't deal with my arguments.   

[maggie]

" Accidentally ",you say. The other fact that the force couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman that they saw through the kitchen window--------------another " accident ?"

Thank God it wasn't my life which was hanging in the balance in a courtroom,where I was being tried for murder if these " accidents " kept cropping up.

Would you have been happy about the original investigation being withheld if it was you who were on trial,knowing you were innocent ? NONE of these files have seen daylight for 30 years. Phone-calls,times,etc.

It is a bit terrifying at times lookout.  I also think I still believe jury service is the fairest judgement however, relying on the judgement of others with all the prejudice, fixed opinions, stupidity and lack of interest human beings are capable of any accused person can be at risk of an MOJ. imo

[maggie]

Jeremy didn't give her correct age anyway.  But it made no difference since the only one in her 20s was Sheila. 

As for Nevill, his hair looked wild and from the back it is easy to see how one can think it was the body of an elderly woman. 

You nitpick the police because you have nothing valid to raise and try suggesting these things mean they must have committed other errors of significance.  It is not unlike when people pick on my typos to deflect from the fact they can't deal with my arguments.   

Whatever you believe about the case, scipio I cannot see anything wrong with healthy 'nit picking' of any establishment organisation, that is the way mistakes are discovered and injustices exposed.  There's a long list of brave people who have 'nit picked' their way to the truth.

[lookout]

It is a bit terrifying at times lookout.  I also think I still believe jury service is the fairest judgement however, relying on the judgement of others with all the prejudice, fixed opinions, stupidity and lack of interest human beings are capable of any accused person can be at risk of an MOJ. imo

It is frightening Maggie, as you can't help thinking that if this is the way the case is going,it would make you wonder if they got anything right at all. Especially a case of this enormity. Scary indeed.

[scipio_usmc]

Whatever you believe about the case, scipio I cannot see anything wrong with healthy 'nit picking' of any establishment organisation, that is the way mistakes are discovered and injustices exposed.  There's a long list of brave people who have 'nit picked' their way to the truth.

By definition nitpicking is about things that don't matter.  Vetting discrepancies that can actually lead somewhere is not simply nitpicking. The change in the prefixes for example lead no where but upon learning of the changes but not knowing why they occurred it was a valid avenue to pursue- it simply didn't wind up being fruitful.   That West told Bonnett a different age than he wrote or Bonnett wrote a different age than West provided has no potential to matter in the grand scheme of things and questioning them to try o find out who made the mistake would be a waste of time.  Not only will they not be able to figure out which on of them made the mistake it makes no difference either way. 

When you find out the valid reasons for the changes in the prefixed and gripe about it anyway then at that point it is worthless nitpicking because you already know it is meaningless. Various items were labeled DB because they were found by Boutflour and the prefix was changed to DRB because David Bird was already using DB.  It would not be possible to have multiple items marked DB/, DB/2, DB/3- it would be confusing and defeat the entire purpose of having a designation system.  Despite this Mike insists DB/1 and DRB/1 were different moderators.  He doesn't argue DB/2 and DRB/2 were different scopes though or that DB/3 and DRB/3 were different sets of bullets.  So he is not being consistent. Most people though admit the truth about this issue. Still such people nitpick and say that the simply fact they screwed up and used the DB prefix without realizing it was already in use shows the police didn't know what they were doing and that means their work can't be trusted because they are sloppy.  Anyone can make clerical errors it doesn't mean mistakes were made while examining the physical evidence.

[maggie]

By definition nitpicking is about things that don't matter.  Vetting discrepancies that can actually lead somewhere is not simply nitpicking. The change in the prefixes for example lead no where but upon learning of the changes but not knowing why they occurred it was a valid avenue to pursue- it simply didn't wind up being fruitful.   That West told Bonnett a different age than he wrote or Bonnett wrote a different age than West provided has no potential to matter in the grand scheme of things and questioning them to try o find out who made the mistake would be a waste of time.  Not only will they not be able to figure out which on of them made the mistake it makes no difference either way. 

When you find out the valid reasons for the changes in the prefixed and gripe about it anyway then at that point it is worthless nitpicking because you already know it is meaningless. Various items were labeled DB because they were found by Boutflour and the prefix was changed to DRB because David Bird was already using DB.  It would not be possible to have multiple items marked DB/, DB/2, DB/3- it would be confusing and defeat the entire purpose of having a designation system.  Despite this Mike insists DB/1 and DRB/1 were different moderators.  He doesn't argue DB/2 and DRB/2 were different scopes though or that DB/3 and DRB/3 were different sets of bullets.  So he is not being consistent. Most people though admit the truth about this issue. Still such people nitpick and say that the simply fact they screwed up and used the DB prefix without realizing it was already in use shows the police didn't know what they were doing and that means their work can't be trusted because they are sloppy.  Anyone can make clerical errors it doesn't mean mistakes were made while examining the physical evidence.

Don't quite agree, how do we know what matters until we follow it up. Pulling at a small thread can unravel all kinds of things.

[lookout]

Don't quite agree, how do we know what matters until we follow it up. Pulling at a small thread can unravel all kinds of things.

All it takes is a small catch to begin unravelling.

[lookout]

Jeremy has had yet another prison move. This time to Wakefield--------still in Yorkshire.

[jon]

Jeremy has had yet another prison move. This time to Wakefield--------still in Yorkshire.

This is how you know , JB as no mental health issues , he as been moved around 30 times , but never to Ashworth or Broadmoor !!

[lookout]

This is how you know , JB as no mental health issues , he as been moved around 30 times , but never to Ashworth or Broadmoor !!

 My thoughts exactly,Jon.

[guest154]

This is how you know , JB as no mental health issues , he as been moved around 30 times , but never to Ashworth or Broadmoor !!

So only the prisoners in Ash or Broadmoor have mental health issues? Prisoners in any other prisons do not?

[Adam]

This is how you know , JB as no mental health issues , he as been moved around 30 times , but never to Ashworth or Broadmoor !!

Neither here or there. You don't have to have mental health problems to be an inheritance killer.