Facts

[Caroline]

Agreed  especially before forensic science came into the forefront.

Its almost impossible to prove a lot of things  - that is why we end up going round in circles.

Exactly

[Stephanie]

Agreed  especially before forensic science came into the forefront.

Its almost impossible to prove a lot of things  - that is why we end up going round in circles.

Agreed!

[Jan]

However the circumstancial evidence must be true and accurate otherwise that is where the MOJ can come into play IMO.

And for example if one person says there was a massive row - and another describes it as a slight disagreement - you have a matter of perception , or embellishment for an end result. Unless we know the people involved how can we tell?

[lookout]

So why do people force the issue that Jeremy is a psychopath when there is no constructive medical proof,i.e. a PET scan showing any abnormality to the frontal lobe which WOULD indicate a problem. How can anyone " diagnose " without physically diagnosing in-depth.?
If a person had a pain down towards the right of the abdomen,you wouldn't suddenly say it was appendicitis,just because the appendix happens to be in that region. And it certainly can't be diagnosed via a telephone call either. It's only by a physical examination that anything to do with the human body,can be diagnosed. This is why we have x-ray machines,CT,MRI and PET scanning.

[Jane]

The judge was only repeating the lies which were told to him by the prosecution as a whole. He wasn't there to oversee the crime as it happened,so therefore his opinion doesn't count.
Imagine admitting that you relied on circumstantial evidence in order to convict someone. Says it all really.

I imagine, had it been your family who had been slaughtered, you'd have been grateful for whatEVER evidence convicted the person you believed responsible.

[Stephanie]

So why do people force the issue that Jeremy is a psychopath when there is no constructive medical proof,i.e. a PET scan showing any abnormality to the frontal lobe which WOULD indicate a problem. How can anyone " diagnose " without physically diagnosing in-depth.?
If a person had a pain down towards the right of the abdomen,you wouldn't suddenly say it was appendicitis,just because the appendix happens to be in that region. And it certainly can't be diagnosed via a telephone call either. It's only by a physical examination that anything to do with the human body,can be diagnosed. This is why we have x-ray machines,CT,MRI and PET scanning.

Why do people force the issue that he is innocent when quite clearly he is not?

Most psychopaths are not diagnosed following a PET scan, many do not have them done at all.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder not a physical ailment.

[Stephanie]

The judge was only repeating the lies which were told to him by the prosecution as a whole. He wasn't there to oversee the crime as it happened,so therefore his opinion doesn't count.
Imagine admitting that you relied on circumstantial evidence in order to convict someone. Says it all really.

What do you think the point is of having a Judge oversee a criminal trial then Lookout?

[Caroline]

So why do people force the issue that Jeremy is a psychopath when there is no constructive medical proof,i.e. a PET scan showing any abnormality to the frontal lobe which WOULD indicate a problem. How can anyone " diagnose " without physically diagnosing in-depth.?
If a person had a pain down towards the right of the abdomen,you wouldn't suddenly say it was appendicitis,just because the appendix happens to be in that region. And it certainly can't be diagnosed via a telephone call either. It's only by a physical examination that anything to do with the human body,can be diagnosed. This is why we have x-ray machines,CT,MRI and PET scanning.

When I suggested that frontal lobe damage was one indicator of psychopathy, you jumped on the 'get Caroline' band wagon telling me I was wrong, when I supplied evidence of Proff James Fallon, you did the same. Now you're saying you agree with it? However, the frontal lobe damage is only one factor - there are others.

[lookout]

When I suggested that frontal lobe damage was one indicator of psychopathy, you jumped on the 'get Caroline' band wagon telling me I was wrong, when I supplied evidence of Proff James Fallon, you did the same. Now you're saying you agree with it? However, the frontal lobe damage is only one factor - there are others.

I certainly don't recall disagreeing about frontal lobe brain damage as this is a recognised thing in the diagnosis for any injury/abnormality caused to the brain.

What I probably DID say was there was no way of knowing that Jeremy had this problem just because he was dropped as a toddler-----------without him having been examined for frontal lobe injury/abnormality.

[Caroline]

I certainly don't recall disagreeing about frontal lobe brain damage as this is a recognised thing in the diagnosis for any injury/abnormality caused to the brain.

What I probably DID say was there was no way of knowing that Jeremy had this problem just because he was dropped as a toddler-----------without him having been examined for frontal lobe injury/abnormality.

Then why didn't you agree that it would be a good idea if he had a scan?

[David1819]

Why do people force the issue that he is innocent when quite clearly he is not?

Most psychopaths are not diagnosed following a PET scan, many do not have them done at all.

Psychopathy is a personality disorder not a physical ailment.

Putting Jeremy's case aside Psychopaths can be innocent you know. they don't all commit crimes

[Jane]

Putting Jeremy's case aside Psychopaths can be innocent you know. they don't all commit crimes

Duhhhh! Yes we DO know. Many of us have been labouring THAT point for a very long time.

[Caroline]

Putting Jeremy's case aside Psychopaths can be innocent you know. they don't all commit crimes

But this one did!

[Jan]

Going back to the thread - Adam we are still waiting for your mountain of forensic evidence that proves a positive not a negative.

We know its not a fluffy mountain so we would like to hear your summary.

[lookout]

Then why didn't you agree that it would be a good idea if he had a scan?

Where did I disagree ?