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[lookout]

And the same can be said if you have no experience of psychopaths.

From working in an asylum,I think I gathered more than enough experience of psychopaths,except that the patients weren't given that diagnosis back then.

[Stephanie]

From working in an asylum,I think I gathered more than enough experience of psychopaths,except that the patients weren't given that diagnosis back then.

What diagnosis were they given?

It sounds to me a though you've had no experiences whatsoever with psychopaths, even though you've worked in asylums.

Many people back in the day were sent to asylums after suffering from stress, post natel depression and anxiety. Thankfully things have moved on since then and people with these conditions are being treated more humanely. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2141741/Sent-asylum-The-Victorian-women-locked-suffering-stress-post-natal-depression-anxiety.html

[Caroline]

From working in an asylum,I think I gathered more than enough experience of psychopaths,except that the patients weren't given that diagnosis back then.

So how do you know any of the patients you dealt with her 'psychopaths'? From what you just posted, you had/have no idea if there were any psychopaths among the patients you deal with. Generally, psychopaths find their way into the prison system, they are not classed as being insane because they know what they're doing is wrong, they just don't care.

[lookout]

What diagnosis were they given?

They just seemed to be classed as insane,and certain ones were given risk assessments as being criminally insane,others were depressives.I don't remember any other diagnosis on the ward that I was on which I can only liken to a prison,with a row of cells on one side,and on the other side,a  large communal bath which was fixed to the floor,which had a large wooden yoke attached.
There was also the padded cell.
There was also another ward off this area where the depressives and elderly senile were housed.

 

[Stephanie]

So how do you know any of the patients you dealt with her 'psychopaths'? From what you just posted, you had/have no idea if there were any psychopaths among the patients you deal with. Generally, psychopaths find their way into the prison system, they are not classed as being insane because they know what they're doing is wrong, they just don't care.

I get the strong feeling that some people sent to asylums back in the day were possibly referred to as "psychos" without the person referring to them in this manner actually understanding the concept.
Lookout clearly doesn't understand psychopathy as her beliefs are so contradictory - not unlike the doublethink George Orwell wrote about in "1984"

[Stephanie]

They just seemed to be classed as insane,and certain ones were given risk assessments as being criminally insane,others were depressives.I don't remember any other diagnosis on the ward that I was on which I can only liken to a prison,with a row of cells on one side,and on the other side,a  large communal bath which was fixed to the floor,which had a large wooden yoke attached.
There was also the padded cell.
There was also another ward off this area where the depressives and elderly senile were housed.

Psychopaths aren't insane.

[Jane]

Believe me April,it has nothing to do with being qualified or not. There are some nurses who are more qualified in their field,than doctors. You ask any doctor. A doctor only specialises in one or two areas of the anatomy,whereas a nurse on a specific ward,say of a surgical nature,can also spot other problems which are medical too,such as a mental illness.The surgeon only carried out " his area " of expertise.

A psychiatrist/psychologist won't profess to know everything either,and they CAN get it wrong. A for instance is actually concerning the family. The child in question is coming up to 7 years of age,and for the past 4,we as a family have known that there was a problem with the child,as at 3 she was destructive,used to bite her siblings,run amok,etc etc,and don't mention taking her shopping !!

December last year,I accompanied the child to the hospital to see ANOTHER child psychiatrist and demanded that her behaviour wasn't normal,as had been said in the past of a 3 year old. To cut a long story short,the child's mother received the top rate disability living allowance for the child,who has got severe ADHD,even though she'd been attending a school which specialises in children who are behind in their work,the psychiatrists still hadn't seen a problem
The child is a loveable monster.

I hope I've got this wrong, but you do seem to be saying that you know more than experts and seem to be unaware of the irony that if THEY can get it wrong, so too, can you. It seems that neither you nor the psychologist in question have met Jeremy yet your own pronouncements on him are every bit as -no, MORE rigid- than hers. WHY is it OK for you, having never seen him, to make strong assessments of him, but wrong for her to do the same? 

[lookout]

Psychopaths aren't insane.

Did I say they were ?

[lookout]

 I'm walking away because I can see where it's leading to.

[Jane]

They just seemed to be classed as insane,and certain ones were given risk assessments as being criminally insane,others were depressives.I don't remember any other diagnosis on the ward that I was on which I can only liken to a prison,with a row of cells on one side,and on the other side,a  large communal bath which was fixed to the floor,which had a large wooden yoke attached.
There was also the padded cell.
There was also another ward off this area where the depressives and elderly senile were housed.

So it's very possible that there may NOT have been a psychopath amongst them...................equally, it's not unheard of for psychopaths to suffer mental illness and very probable that whilst the mental illness was receiving treatment, the psychopathy would have gone unrecognized.

[lookout]

A Professor Vincent Egan assessed Jeremy and found no indication of psychopathy.

[Stephanie]

A Professor Vincent Egan assessed Jeremy and found no indication of psychopathy.

Been there done that a few weeks ago...

Professor Vincent Egan refers to Luke Mitchell's guilt here http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed-1.65040

You will recall the Luke Mitchell case is discussed on this forum  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.0.html

So which one has Professor Egan got correct? Or are both of them wrong? Or is one wrong?

[Caroline]

A Professor Vincent Egan assessed Jeremy and found no indication of psychopathy.

Yeah well, it needs doing again by someone not working for the defence!

[Stephanie]

I do think the reference to the music and clips from videos of that era made the documentary appear trite in places.

[Alias]

I'm walking away because I can see where it's leading to.

The whole thing just isn´t pretty to watch, ew, hope you are OK.