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Re: New video:
« Reply #285 on: May 04, 2015, 10:20:PM »
There are people who have lived with people with Aspergers all their lives and not even realised it. It happens.

And other diagnosis - like Tourettes for instance. Earlier it was just called, he´s got a tick. OR ADHD - how many kids are on medication for that now, where earlier they were just called naughty.

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Re: New video:
« Reply #286 on: May 04, 2015, 10:21:PM »
I will call you a liar but apologise when you submit the post which says point by point how Sheila did it.

Threads have been created on how Sheila was shot.

Personal post - calling me a liar - I will report you - little sneak . Get ready for 24 hours in Coventry .

only joking  ;D  I love your funny amusing posts.

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« Reply #287 on: May 04, 2015, 10:27:PM »
No I am not - there are varying reports about his character - some of them are obviously exaggerated on purpose for affect. It is very easy in retrospect to pick out the bad bits and ignore the good. I have never claimed he was a saint. I don't know him , have never met him . But there seem to be a lot of experts on here willing to attribute a medical illness to him which I have never seen officially diagnosed - so what should I assume from that?

I have drawn many of my conclusions based on evidence presented by JB himself. Psychopathy isn't a medical illness it is a personality disorder.
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« Reply #288 on: May 04, 2015, 10:30:PM »
I have drawn many of my conclusions based on evidence presented by JB himself. Psychopathy isn't a medical illness it is a personality disorder.

Ok - has that been diagnosed by an expert in Psychopathy that has studied/met Jeremy face to face?


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« Reply #289 on: May 04, 2015, 11:07:PM »
Ok - has that been diagnosed by an expert in Psychopathy that has studied/met Jeremy face to face?

Why would it need to be?
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Re: New video:
« Reply #290 on: May 04, 2015, 11:25:PM »
Personal post - calling me a liar - I will report you - little sneak . Get ready for 24 hours in Coventry .

only joking  ;D  I love your funny amusing posts.

I will be happy to make a grovelling apology when I see you're (already posted) submission.

I must have missed you're submission. Although I didn't miss David's or Alias's. Funny that.

I wish you would just direct me to the thread where you posted it. Or just copy and paste it. Rather than keep claiming you have already done it.

Once I see it, I can comment.
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Re: New video:
« Reply #291 on: May 05, 2015, 01:38:AM »
     Having now watched the documentary, paying particular attention to the wild unfounded claims/credible diagnosis(delete as appropriate) of Kerry Daynes, I am staggered that anyone takes her seriously.
     Her first pronouncement about 16 minutes in;
    "It's likely that he felt incredibly rejected on many different fronts and this caused him to feel that he desperately wanted attention, he wanted to be loved but if he actually attempted to get this he would be rejected again.
     This causes a terrible conflict for a child and one way of coping with it might be to simply detach. You detach from your emotions so you can't be hurt.
     What could have happened is that the emotional switches in Jeremy's brain could have been jammed in the opposition."
     So after hearing a few anecdotes from interested parties Kerry Daynes is able to paint a "likely" picture of Jeremy's thoughts. She is then able to speculate as to what Jeremy "might" do to cope with this "likely"
scenario.
     Anyway having uncovered the "likely" thoughts of Jeremy and what he "might" do to cope, Kerry remarkably can then diagnose what "could" have happened in Jeremy's brain.
     It's a load of old bollocks isn't it?

    Her next remarkable insight/paid for opinion comes at about 21 minutes. The reconstruction shows Jeremy driving a tractor dressed as Adam Ant and with his nails painted. Barbara Wilson apparently knows exactly why Jeremy dressed like this and it was to annoy his parents. Mike Fielder, the Sun "journalist" then claims that Jeremy was, "a sexual predator. On his nights off from Julie he was rampant around the bars and the clubs of South East Essex."
    After being informed by the narrator that this behaviour by Jeremy could have been youthful high spirits or perhaps an indication of something darker, Kerry Daynes is on hand to help us decide.
    She states, "It's possible that these are the early signs that in actual fact he has got psychopathic traits, so breaking rules, constantly breaking rules in many different ways.  Also being sexually promiscuous and really needing a high level of stimulation, they're very prone to boredom."
     How can anyone consider such groundless speculation as evidence of psychopathy? These are not indicators of psychopathy just because some pseudo scientists claim such.
     How can opinions couched with more coulds and maybes and based on anecdotal evidence from interested parties be the grounds for a respected scientific opinion? This is voodoo science.
     
    At around 29 minutes in after RWB has related his tale of Jeremy "acting" at the funeral and smiling like a "wide mouthed frog", the incredible Kerry Daynes is able to turn this anecdotal opinion into a hard fact and confidently state, "I think that this is classic behaviour of a psychopath. I think that in essence Jeremy painted on his emotions, the emotions that he felt he should portray that day and then when he felt that nobody was watching him, or nobody that mattered was watching him, he simply took the mask off and put it to one side."
   Again this is not a scientific opinion, it is just some bollocks spouted by someone for money and is utterly meaningless drivel.

   Her final contribution at around 41 minutes, "He certainly ticks an awful lot of boxes for a psychopath. Here is someone who is grandiose, he's arrogant, he seems to have very little emotion and what he does is very shallow and rather fake. He manipulates other people and he's quite happy to use people to meet his own needs."
   For a science it appears to rely on a lot of assumption and speculation, as well as using subjective opinions as the basis for diagnosis. It is clearly groundless bollocks.

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Re: New video:
« Reply #292 on: May 05, 2015, 02:55:AM »
     Having now watched the documentary, paying particular attention to the wild unfounded claims/credible diagnosis(delete as appropriate) of Kerry Daynes, I am staggered that anyone takes her seriously.
     Her first pronouncement about 16 minutes in;
    "It's likely that he felt incredibly rejected on many different fronts and this caused him to feel that he desperately wanted attention, he wanted to be loved but if he actually attempted to get this he would be rejected again.
     This causes a terrible conflict for a child and one way of coping with it might be to simply detach. You detach from your emotions so you can't be hurt.
     What could have happened is that the emotional switches in Jeremy's brain could have been jammed in the opposition."
     So after hearing a few anecdotes from interested parties Kerry Daynes is able to paint a "likely" picture of Jeremy's thoughts. She is then able to speculate as to what Jeremy "might" do to cope with this "likely"
scenario.
     Anyway having uncovered the "likely" thoughts of Jeremy and what he "might" do to cope, Kerry remarkably can then diagnose what "could" have happened in Jeremy's brain.
     It's a load of old bollocks isn't it?

    Her next remarkable insight/paid for opinion comes at about 21 minutes. The reconstruction shows Jeremy driving a tractor dressed as Adam Ant and with his nails painted. Barbara Wilson apparently knows exactly why Jeremy dressed like this and it was to annoy his parents. Mike Fielder, the Sun "journalist" then claims that Jeremy was, "a sexual predator. On his nights off from Julie he was rampant around the bars and the clubs of South East Essex."
    After being informed by the narrator that this behaviour by Jeremy could have been youthful high spirits or perhaps an indication of something darker, Kerry Daynes is on hand to help us decide.
    She states, "It's possible that these are the early signs that in actual fact he has got psychopathic traits, so breaking rules, constantly breaking rules in many different ways.  Also being sexually promiscuous and really needing a high level of stimulation, they're very prone to boredom."
     How can anyone consider such groundless speculation as evidence of psychopathy? These are not indicators of psychopathy just because some pseudo scientists claim such.
     How can opinions couched with more coulds and maybes and based on anecdotal evidence from interested parties be the grounds for a respected scientific opinion? This is voodoo science.
     
    At around 29 minutes in after RWB has related his tale of Jeremy "acting" at the funeral and smiling like a "wide mouthed frog", the incredible Kerry Daynes is able to turn this anecdotal opinion into a hard fact and confidently state, "I think that this is classic behaviour of a psychopath. I think that in essence Jeremy painted on his emotions, the emotions that he felt he should portray that day and then when he felt that nobody was watching him, or nobody that mattered was watching him, he simply took the mask off and put it to one side."
   Again this is not a scientific opinion, it is just some bollocks spouted by someone for money and is utterly meaningless drivel.

   Her final contribution at around 41 minutes, "He certainly ticks an awful lot of boxes for a psychopath. Here is someone who is grandiose, he's arrogant, he seems to have very little emotion and what he does is very shallow and rather fake. He manipulates other people and he's quite happy to use people to meet his own needs."
      For a science it appears to rely on a lot of assumption and speculation, as well as using subjective opinions as the basis for diagnosis. It is clearly groundless bollocks.

You've clearly not read his police interviews, court transcripts, blogs, other interviews or letters nor paid any attention to the amount of people he has come into contact with over the past 3 decades.

So now that you appear to be the oracle on human nature - what do you suggest made him murder 5 members of his family and what's wrong with him to have carried out this massacre?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 02:57:AM by stephanie »
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Re: New video:
« Reply #293 on: May 05, 2015, 05:59:AM »
Jan is always asking me to apologise when she produces a document. Apparently these end the debate.

Thought she would revel in getting me to apologise when directing me to or copying her already posted point by point account of how Sheila committed the massacre. Which she repeatedly says she has already posted. Sadly I have only read David's and Alias's. Funny that.

Obviously if no such post exists from Jan, she will have to apologise to me.

If it does exist perhaps there should still be an apology for repeatedly saying it exists but not providing it, after I have politely asked for it.

But it is never too late to support Jeremy and show how Sheila committed the massacre. If this is not possible, then it is weird that people support Jeremy but cannot give a plausible explanation of how Sheila did it.
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Re: New video:
« Reply #294 on: May 05, 2015, 06:21:AM »
The attractive woman in the video obviously knows what she is talking about. Otherwise she would be asked to comment.

She is giving her views based her knowledge of Jeremy and psychopathy. There is no law that she had to meet Jeremy. Anyway, as she said he would be more than capable of putting on a mask for her.

Supporters have to try to discredit her. Keepers saying she apologised about what she said, but then failing to provide a source of this when I asked for it.
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« Reply #295 on: May 05, 2015, 06:57:AM »
Keepers, he's a strange one.

He said he has never stated Sheila committed the massacre. Suggesting he believes she did not. This automatically makes Jeremy guilty.

However the evidence which satisfied the police, DPP, jury, COA and CCRC is apparently not enough for him to say Jeremy is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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« Reply #296 on: May 05, 2015, 07:50:AM »
Why would it need to be?

I don't think many people would be happy for someone to decide whether or not they were a psychopath simply from looking at pictures, film and speaking to people who didn't like them

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« Reply #297 on: May 05, 2015, 08:43:AM »
You've clearly not read his police interviews, court transcripts, blogs, other interviews or letters nor paid any attention to the amount of people he has come into contact with over the past 3 decades.

So now that you appear to be the oracle on human nature - what do you suggest made him murder 5 members of his family and what's wrong with him to have carried out this massacre?
  I have read the interviews etc. and it is clear that a diagnosis of psychopathy can't be diagnosed from these and any belief otherwise has no basis.
    It is not I who is claiming to be the oracle on human nature though is it? I'm not the one making wild and extravagant claims based on a few blogs, interviews and the subjective opinion of biased sources.

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« Reply #298 on: May 05, 2015, 08:45:AM »
I don't think many people would be happy for someone to decide whether or not they were a psychopath simply from looking at pictures, film and speaking to people who didn't like them

The fact he's in prison having been convicted of 5 murders is a bit of a clue.
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« Reply #299 on: May 05, 2015, 08:47:AM »
  I have read the interviews etc. and it is clear that a diagnosis of psychopathy can't be diagnosed from these and any belief otherwise has no basis.
    It is not I who is claiming to be the oracle on human nature though is it? I'm not the one making wild and extravagant claims based on a few blogs, interviews and the subjective opinion of biased sources.

What is clear then Gringo?

I've already responded to Sara T regarding this - see my post above ^^^^^
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