How would you react ?

[Jane]

But they aren't exactly in a 'normal' mindset when in the midst of psychosis, are they? If they were there wouldn't be a name for it. So Carolines point that to do the experiment you'd need to have 100 women in the midst of psychosis - makes sense.

Mat, what you must have is 100 women in the midst psychosis and a control group of 100 women NOT in psychosis. It's a moot point as to which group would be easiest to set up

[guest154]

Mat, what you must have is 100 women in the midst psychosis and a control group of 100 women NOT in psychosis. It's a moot point as to which group would be easiest to set up

 

[Alias]

Rather like what MIGHT have happened had Jeremy call 999, we'll never know the answer, will we?

Wouldn´t it have been the same officers at the scene?
The call would just have been to 999, then the central would call the local cops - the ones Jeremy called in the first place.

[Caroline]

You can have ice cold, calculated (skewed) logic in the midst of a psychosis. You can also have actually planned whatever crazy thing you are doing.
People mostly assume that during a psychosis you are out of control and frothing at the mouth. That is far from the case always.

I didn't actually mention or assume in what 'state' they would be - just if you're going to suggest that Sheila was capable of working out how to load the rifle and use it (and I didn't say she wasn't), you would have to use subjects that were of a similar ilk. Including, age, sex and state of mind - all having previously never loaded or fired a semi-automatic .22 rifle.

[Jane]

Wouldn´t it have been the same officers at the scene?
The call would just have been to 999, then the central would call the local cops - the ones Jeremy called in the first place.

I can't give you the logistics -although I suspect it's to do with cars and personnel being deployed much faster- but I CAN say that if it wasn't a service with a faster response time it wouldn't have the success rate it enjoys.

[Alias]

I wasn't answering April's post, I was answering yours!  - You're the one making all the digs Alias. You whine on about people being nasty and you're every bit as bad.

I was, Caroline, you are digging yourself into a hole now!

[lookout]

Just for the record, it was a valid question. I do not agree with a lot of what Lookout writes nor do I agree with her apparent strong views and opinions regarding mental health. There are many people working within the mental health profession who I believe are not competent in what they do.

And I certainly don't agree with MOST of what you say,so we'll call it quits,eh ?

[Jan]

Rather like what MIGHT have happened had Jeremy call 999, we'll never know the answer, will we?

But that was in the past - so we will have to wait and see. EP don't always have the final say.

[Jan]

 

[Jan]

back to the thread. So we have established everyone acts differently when under pressure and family dynamics should be taken into account and we don't know ( if he is innocent) whether calling 999 would have helped , or if he had been braver and gone to the house whether he would have been shot as well.

next thread?

[maggie]

 I have locked this topic as once again things are getting out o hand, I shall cut it back in a minute.  I'm sure this will displease people but am afraid its necessary. In the meantime can you PLEASE stick to the topic and leave personalities out of things.  Thanks.

[nugnug]

back to the thread. So we have established everyone acts differently when under pressure and family dynamics should be taken into account and we don't know ( if he is innocent) whether calling 999 would have helped , or if he had been braver and gone to the house whether he would have been shot as well.

next thread?

yes i think we have established that.

[scipio_usmc]

its a theoretical post  but also JB has always said that Sheila did go shooting with her father sometimes and as I have said before I used  a gun a few times and my parents did not have a clue.( being subjective again)

I would be interested to see if all the farmworkers or gamekeepers were asked because if anyone had known they would.

JB claimed she was around AP and her father as fired shotguns.  AP denied it and at any rate they didn't have the Anschutz at the time. Jeremy clearly made the claim up in an effort to pretend that she would know how to use guns ignoring the actual question of whether she would be able to use the Anschutz.
The first time AP even saw the Anschutz was his visit a little over a week prior to the murders.

[Jan]

JB claimed she was around AP and her father as fired shotguns.  AP denied it and at any rate they didn't have the Anschutz at the time. Jeremy clearly made the claim up in an effort to pretend that she would know how to use guns ignoring the actual question of whether she would be able to use the Anschutz.
The first time AP even saw the Anschutz was his visit a little over a week prior to the murders.

I believe he claimed she used to go shooting with his father - that was my point - I never said she had used that particular gun before. Did Jeremy need special tuition before he used it?

Bit stupid to buy a gun to plant on his sister which was impossible for her to use don't you think? If he had been planning this for so long , was this just a small oversight?

[Alias]

I believe he claimed she used to go shooting with his father - that was my point - I never said she had used that particular gun before. Did Jeremy need special tuition before he used it?

Bit stupid to buy a gun to plant on his sister which was impossible for her to use don't you think? If he had been planning this for so long , was this just a small oversight?

Nah, it´s just skip who thinks that the only weapon women are capable of using are frying pans. Yes, he did actually say that!