How would you react ?

[Stephanie]

I think that was me.

Was it

[Jan]

Yes, Jan. It happens all the time, especially at that age.

scary.
 personally as it seems he was not telling the truth I wonder if she went to his car because he said he had some drugs there ? Just as bad really but perhaps she did not go back willingly.

But even at 24 people do stupid illogical things .In an ideal world this should not put anyone at risk . but its not an ideal world is it.

I am glad my two are grown up (ish)

[Stephanie]

See this is what happens when someone decides to remove posts from threads, my apologies Jan.

[Jane]

Logic and reasoning - If the scenario on the recent tragic murder in Glasgow is proved to be correct - would anyone one logically get in a car with a complete stranger and go back to their flat with them - a question I asked some work colleagues - you would be surprised ( or perhaps not ) about some who said they would .

I am not talking here about a moral question but reduction of risk - so even on a basic decision like that you can have varying reactions/arguments.

I'm gonna hold my hands up here and admit to being judgemental. I found it strange that a bright, sensible girl would leave her friends and go back to a stranger's house -stranger danger and all that but it often gets forgotten if raging hormones kick in- and leave it on her own at 4am. Where was HIS sense of chivalry, by the way? Is this the guy who's been charged with her murder or did she meet her murderer when she left on her own?

[Jan]

You originally posted about your own personal experience and comparing it to JB, hence being subjective.

you are being pedantic - it was in the same post and I said  I would dial 999 first before my observation that was perfectly valid and true .

[Jan]

I'm gonna hold my hands up here and admit to being judgemental. I found it strange that a bright, sensible girl would leave her friends and go back to a stranger's house -stranger danger and all that but it often gets forgotten if raging hormones kick in- and leave it on her own at 4am. Where was HIS sense of chivalry, by the way? Is this the guy who's been charged with her murder or did she meet her murderer when she left on her own?

It is not clear yet - because they named the guy who picked her up and took her back to the flat - but there was a witness who saw her leave allegedly at 4 am - which was why he was not a suspect in the beginning . But perhaps he got someone to lie for him? I guess all will become clear . Its all very sad.

[Jan]

You originally posted about your own personal experience and comparing it to JB, hence being subjective.

So does that mean you personally think none of us - including you should use a personal experience to discuss a point?


So if for example I said I knew someone who watched people loading guns all their life and found it very easy to pick up a gun and load it - then that would not be relevant to the discussion ?

[Jane]

You originally posted about your own personal experience and comparing it to JB, hence being subjective.

Steph, I have to jump in here because having had personal experience of one of those calls -I DID call 999-  it's very difficult to recall a time BEFORE it happened. It makes objectivity, when a personal frame of reference gets in the way, quite hard.

[Stephanie]

you are being pedantic - it was in the same post and I said  I would dial 999 first before my observation that was perfectly valid and true .

Huh?

You'll need to consult with Patti cos I can't remember what you posted nor my response.

But just for your reference I wasn't being picky over the details, if I suggested you were being subjective then something you or Sara said suggested you were being.

[SaraT]

So does that mean you personally think none of us - including you should use a personal experience to discuss a point?


So if for example I said I knew someone who watched people loading guns all their life and found it very easy to pick up a gun and load it - then that would not be relevant to the discussion ?

I was going to say the same thing. You wouldn't need to teach someone how to load a gun when they had probably seen others do it hundreds of times

[Jan]

See this is what happens when someone decides to remove posts from threads, my apologies Jan.

apology accepted .

and our posts have crossed.

[Stephanie]

apology accepted .

and our posts have crossed.

Thanks and no probs.

[Stephanie]

Steph, I have to jump in here because having had personal experience of one of those calls -I DID call 999-  it's very difficult to recall a time BEFORE it happened. It makes objectivity, when a personal frame of reference gets in the way, quite hard.

Oh Christ.. I can't keep up 

[Jan]

I was going to say the same thing. You wouldn't need to teach someone how to load a gun when they had probably seen others do it hundreds of times

its a theoretical post  but also JB has always said that Sheila did go shooting with her father sometimes and as I have said before I used  a gun a few times and my parents did not have a clue.( being subjective again)

I would be interested to see if all the farmworkers or gamekeepers were asked because if anyone had known they would.

[Jan]

Jan something strange happened here. I would have thought any guy who would let a young lady out on her own in the early hours is not a gentleman he could have walked her home or rang for a taxi

I am not sure now that is what happened . I don't think she did leave his flat - or if she did he must have followed her ( but then newspapers don't always report correctly)