A fair trial?

[sandy]

Did Jeremy ever ask his parents to rent a flat for him in London? He was 24 years old, he didn't have to work on the farm if he didn't want to. Presumably, he enjoyed country life.

Apparently he didn't want to but had to.

There seems to have been many arguments between Jeremy and Nevill over the farm and the caravan park. According to Robert Boutflour, Jeremy had developed an attitude to emotionally hurt those around him.

Robert Boutflour recalls a conversation he did have with Nevill about Jeremy.

RB   How's Jeremy getting on?
NB  "Good question!"
RB   Why don't you throw the bugger out?
NB   June won't let me.

Does that not say it all??  That Nevill actually contemplated throwing his adopted son out?

Yes Kaldin, he enjoyed country life...NOT!


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Why did he have to work on the farm? He was a grown man and could do what he wanted.

He was beholding to Nevill, pure and simple.

[sandy]

On another occasion when Robert Boutflour was with  Jeremy and they were discussing the break-ins at the caravan park, the arson attacks and the bricks being thrown through windows.  There was discussion about doing random night vigils themselves since the police had botched it.

Robert asked Jeremy where he would shoot an intruder, in the knee or kill them. To which Jeremy candidly replied, "Oh no uncle Bobby, I would have no trouble in killing anybody.  I could easily kill my parents."

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Does the word psychopath ring any bells with anyone?

[Alias]

On another occasion when Robert Boutflour was with  Jeremy and they were discussing the break-ins at the caravan park, the arson attacks and the bricks being thrown through windows.  There was discussion about doing random night vigils themselves since the police had botched it.

Robert asked Jeremy where he would shoot an intruder, in the knee or kill them. To which Jeremy candidly replied, "Oh no uncle Bobby, I would have no trouble in killing anybody.  I could easily kill my parents."

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What a strange question. What kind of person will even think of asking that? "Where would you shoot an intruder?" Indeed!
If anything, it shows that Robert Boutflour himself had thought about shooting people!

[sandy]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

[grahameb]

On another occasion when Robert Boutflour was with  Jeremy and they were discussing the break-ins at the caravan park, the arson attacks and the bricks being thrown through windows.  There was discussion about doing random night vigils themselves since the police had botched it.

Robert asked Jeremy where he would shoot an intruder, in the knee or kill them. To which Jeremy candidly replied, "Oh no uncle Bobby, I would have no trouble in killing anybody.  I could easily kill my parents."

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Does the word psychopath ring any bells with anyone?

You can be a murderer without being a psychopath. Why does everybody assume you have to be mad to kill someone?

[sandy]

So you are normal if you murder your mum, dad, sister and two nephews who are only children?

[Roch]

Sandy... Why would someone planning to murder their parents... not only tell their girlfriend beforehand but also make such a statement as "I could easily shoot my parents" to his uncle Bobby?  Are you implying that he would plan and commit a crime for inheritance.. all the while forgetting he'd rather inconveniently told some of his other family members that he would be capable of doing such a thing?

Not a very watertight plan if you are planning a long playboy life style is it? 

[Kaldin]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

[sandy]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

OK if they didn't convict him because they thought he was guilty, why convict at all?

[Kaldin]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

OK if they didn't convict him because they thought he was guilty, why convict at all?

I mean they might have convicted him on other evidence - maybe the silencer evidence. All that guff about what Jeremy might or might not have said to Robert Boutflour or anyone else was just their word against his.

[Alias]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

OK if they didn't convict him because they thought he was guilty, why convict at all?

Exactly!

Have to add that my sisters and I, jokingly OF COURSE, have talked about offing our mother dearest - even ways to do it. Just to VENT. I know this puts me in a bad light, but you should know my mother...

[sandy]

He wasn't convicted on any one specific thing, it was a culmination of circumstantial evidence and facts which told the story.  Jeremy's behaviour in the months leading up to the murders was very worrying. Nevill must have had a right old worrying time with him.  It's just a pity that Robert and Pam didn't involve themselves more in what was going on but then again...that's life!

[sandy]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

OK if they didn't convict him because they thought he was guilty, why convict at all?

Exactly!

You're missing the point abs...fact is he was convicted because they were convinced that he was guilty.

[Alias]

You have got to admit abs that it is pretty damming stuff and this is only the tip of the iceberg.  The jury heard all this evidence and convicted him 10 to 2 so there must be some truth in it.

Not necessarily. The jury didn't say why they convicted him (ten of them anyway).

OK if they didn't convict him because they thought he was guilty, why convict at all?

I mean they might have convicted him on other evidence - maybe the silencer evidence. All that guff about what Jeremy might or might not have said to Robert Boutflour or anyone else was just their word against his.

Uh, sorry, I meant to say EXACTLY to this - not the other post. My mistake.

[Kaldin]

He wasn't convicted on any one specific thing, it was a culmination of circumstantial evidence and facts which told the story.  Jeremy's behaviour in the months leading up to the murders was very worrying. Nevill must have had a right old worrying time with him.  It's just a pity that Robert and Pam didn't involve themselves more in what was going on but then again...that's life!

Were you on the jury then? If not, you don't know what they convicted him on.

Why should Robert and Pam have got involved? It was none of their business.