13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[mike tesko]

In stark contrast, displacement of Sheila's body from the kitchen downstairs (8.15am to 8.30am) to the bed in the main bedroom upstairs, lasted only 15 minutes, before she recollapsed into a state of inactivity, that is 15 minutes shorter than the 30 minutes calculated by Professor Knight which he thought someone with Sheila type injury could have been capable of moving around, after being similarly shot...

One Cyclops member offered these statistics as being a possible explanation to account for the overal period between shots being greater than 98 minutes, as declared by officer 'Z', from 7.37am...

[scipio_usmc]

A message was passed and received, requesting DCI Harris to make immediate contact with ACC Peter Simpson, using a land line from the scene. This telephone conversation was said to have lasted until around 8.30am, by which time Sheila's body was relocated laid out on the bed. Now if true, and based on the first timing in the police log of a dead female body being found in the kitchen upon entry, there was a 33 minute period of pitential unconsciousness involving Sheila up until 8.10am. To this another 15 minutes must be added to account for the period between 8.30am, and 8.44am, at which stage Dr Craig had viewed her body "On" the far side of the bed, until 9.13am? This was another lengthy period consisting of a further 43 minutes, leading up to the actual time the second fatal shot was discharged beneath her chin during a trainingvexercise being videod by DS Davidson...

These periods of inactivity, (1) - 33 minutes and (2) - 43 minutes adding up to a total period of unconsciousness of 76 minutes,or in other words, 1 hour and 13 minutes of inactivity by Sheila Caffell...

The only body in the kitchen was Nevill's.  If there had been an elderly woman's body in the kitchen it would have been June's.  So right off the bat ignoring the evidence of only one body and ignoring the evidence that if there were another body it would have been June's. 

Next it is ignored that there was no evidence of any body found in the bed and simply made up that Sheila's body was in the bed.  So we have a totally made up claim that Sheila's body was in the kitchen and then another made up claim that her body was moved to the bed though all witnesses say she was on the floor on the far side of the bed.  Next we have the fake claim there was a training exercise conducted in the house before the crime scene investigation was conducted and finally the nonsense claim that the second shot was delivered hours after the first shot and that Sheila was alive the entire time though Craig declared her dead.

One should be embarrassed to allege such tripe.

[mike tesko]

Last night, during another discussion involving Cyclops members and myself, their was a general acceptance amongst all parties, that the actual timing of the second shot, could be displaced by another 10 to 15 minutes of inactivity of Sheila before the second shot was fired, since what mattered was not the period of her inactivity, but rather the period of her activity since the timing of the first shot having been fired at around 7,35am - the known period of her activity after this was and would always gave been the same 15 minute period, or in other words half the period which Professor Knight had said a person similarly injured could have moved around (30 minutes)...

[mike tesko]

At least now there is a group of us all moving in the same direction together, with a common purpose.

[mike tesko]

At least now there is a group of us all moving in the same direction together, with a common purpose.

I know that I don't have to motivate any of the team Cyclops members, now that they have seen the evidence for themselves, and spokn directly in an informal setting with one of the retired police officers who was there when police were responsible for killing Sheila in a set of bizzare circumstances...

[mike tesko]

Many years ago, I watched a tv documentary about the murders, I think it was called, 'KILLING MUM AND DAD". I'm not now certain if that was the title, so forgive me if I am wrong. But in any event, regardless of the title, there was camera footage contained in the documentary which showed the camera man stood filming outside the main internal kitchen door. The door was closed at first and then it was swung open slowly. The door swung from right to left, inward of the main kitchen. What I found to be most interesting was at the time the aforementioned door opened, the view from the camera gave a very fine glimpse of the kitchen window. It was barely visible at all, even before the cameraman altered his position to prepare entering into the main kitchen via the door. Once he changed his position, and started entering into the kitchen, all the while the camera still rolling, you could not even see a glimpse of the kitchen window somewhere out of shot on the wall to the right of entry...

This reminded me of the occasion when in August 1990 I had visited white house farm, and peered into the same kitchen window, to see the tightest angle visible to me at that time, and to compare that angled view with PC Collins account of him having looked in through the kitchen window and reported that he could see the body of a female in a position behind the internal kitchen door situated over in the left hand corner out of my sight from the vantage point of me standing outside the kitchen window looking in...

There was no doubt whatsoever in my mind back then in August 1990, or later when I saw the reverse angle taken by the cameraman in the tv documentary that PC Collins could have seen a body behind that internal door on the kitchen sude of the door, from the same vantage point I had personally been stood at. Collins could not have seen a body there, neither a female body or a male body. He could not have mistaken Ralphs body behind that door from that vantage point, mistakenly identifying it as a dead females body - impossible..,

[mike tesko]

Some years ago I asked Hartley to take photographs of a chair pushed up in the left hand corner of the main kitchen against the door I am now speaking about, and to take photographs from the vantage point outside the kitchen window, but he never took up the offer, presumeably because he knows the angle is too acute for anyone outside the kitchen window, to see a person sat in a chair positioned at that location...

[mike tesko]

When I reported back to Jeremy that I had been to whf and looked in through the kitchen window, and discovered that PC Collins wouldn't have been able to see a body sat on a chair behind the kitchen door to enable him to mistakenley identify his dads body for that of a female body, Jeremy said that I had looked through the wrong kitchen window. He asked me again which kitchen window I had looked through, he asked, if you were facing the back farmhouse door, there is a kitchen window on either side of the door which window did you look through, the kitchen window to the right of that door, or the window to the left of it? I told him that when facing that door, I had looked into the kitchen on the right of that door, to which Jeremy confirmed was the main kitchen, but he added that PC Collins had not looked through that kitchen window, he had so Jeremy told me, looked into the left hand side window into a room known as the back kitchen. He pointed out that PC Collins approached the farmhouse door via white side, and went past the kitchen door on green side, and then looked into the kitchen window to the left of that door, not to the right of it. I said to Jeremy, but your dads body was in the other kitchen, in the main kitchen, not in the back kitchen at all? Exactly, said Jeremy, they have got thier story wrong, they could not have mistaken Ralphs body through the left hand window as that of a dead female, because Ralphs body couldn't possible be seen at all through the left hand side window, since his body whether viewable or not from the vantage point of someone standing outside the right hand side kitchen window, Ralphs body was not present in the back kitchen beyond the left window, his body was somewhere in the main kitchen beyond the right hand side window...

[scipio_usmc]

Many years ago, I watched a tv documentary about the murders, I think it was called, 'KILLING MUM AND DAD". I'm not now certain if that was the title, so forgive me if I am wrong. But in any event, regardless of the title, there was camera footage contained in the documentary which showed the camera man stood filming outside the main internal kitchen door. The door was closed at first and then it was swung open slowly. The door swung from right to left, inward of the main kitchen. What I found to be most interesting was at the time the aforementioned door opened, the view from the camera gave a very fine glimpse of the kitchen window. It was barely visible at all, even before the cameraman altered his position to prepare entering into the main kitchen via the door. Once he changed his position, and started entering into the kitchen, all the while the camera still rolling, you could not even see a glimpse of the kitchen window somewhere out of shot on the wall to the right of entry...

This reminded me of the occasion when in August 1990 I had visited white house farm, and peered into the same kitchen window, to see the tightest angle visible to me at that time, and to compare that angled view with PC Collins account of him having looked in through the kitchen window and reported that he could see the body of a female in a position behind the internal kitchen door situated over in the left hand corner out of my sight from the vantage point of me standing outside the kitchen window looking in...

There was no doubt whatsoever in my mind back then in August 1990, or later when I saw the reverse angle taken by the cameraman in the tv documentary that PC Collins could have seen a body behind that internal door on the kitchen sude of the door, from the same vantage point I had personally been stood at. Collins could not have seen a body there, neither a female body or a male body. He could not have mistaken Ralphs body behind that door from that vantage point, mistakenly identifying it as a dead females body - impossible..,

Nevill's body wasn't by the door it was near the Aga. The Aga is able to be seen quite clearly through the window.  Many of the kitchen photos were taken by standing by the sink.  The window was by the sink.  So someone outside the window could see even more without having to bend the head but a simple bend of the head results in seeing Nevill. 

[mike tesko]

Ralph Bambers body was originally sat in a wooden chair pushed up against the internal kitchen door through which first of all Woodcock squeezed through a small gap that was created by firearms officers pressing against the opposite side of the door. This pressure eventually toppled Ralphs body over so that it ended up, balancing somewhat precariously over a second wooden chair which had originally positioned in front of the chair Ralphs body had been sat upon. There had been two wooden chairs, one in front of the other, pressed against the door, Ralph sat on the one closest the door, the other one in front empty. It took 3 or 4 minutes for police to put pressure on the opposite side of the door which had the effect of inching the chair that Ralphs body was sat upon, plus the empty wooden chair in front of this to topple over, sending Ralphs body tumbling forward, including the chair he had been sat upon, and the empty chair in front to tumble sideways, so that his body ended up near the corner of the aga surround. His body was not in that position prior to the firearms team entering the farmhouse at 7.30am...

Once Ralphs body had been toppled over, Woodcock started to squeeze through the gap in the door which had been created by the police action just described. I agree that once Ralphs body ended up near the corner of the aga, that anybody looking in through the kitchen window from outside would easily have been able to see his body, in that altered position...

But There is no evidence to prove that PC Collins had even looked through the window of the main kitchen, when he reported that he could see the body of a dead female, according to Jeremys account, because Collins had looked through the other kitchen window, the one to the left of the back court yard door, which provided him a view into the back kitchen, not the main kitchen...

[mike tesko]

Are we to believe that as Ralphs body was toppled over, that his head smashed brutally against the rim of the metal coal bucket, or did a kind samariton gently place his bullet riddled head and face into the bucket with the view of trying to contain blood spillage from these 6 bullet wounds?

[mike tesko]

There is also the matter of someone deciding to use a towel, items of clothing and seat cushions to try and control the spread of fresh blood further a field from around the base of the coal bucket inside which Ralphs badly wounded and injured head ended up being carefully deposited.  Which good samariton put these items on the floor with the intention of preventing blood running further afield on the kitchen floor? Surely not Sheila, or the killer? It had to be the police who were responsible for having done this - since nowhere in any of the witness statements made by firearms officers, makes mention of articles on the floor in the vicinty of the base of the coal bucket when entry was made eventually into the kitchen. Moreover, the towel, the pair of cloth trousers, and the 2 seat cushions were never seized as exhibits, or sent to the lab' to be forensically examined...

[mike tesko]

For the record - Jeremy and I disagreed over which kitchen window PC Collins had looked into, prior to the back court yard door being smashed in, and entry to the farmhouse was gained at precisely 7.30am...

Jeremy was insisting the window Collins looked into was the back kitchen window to the left of the court yard door, whereas I was certain that Collins had been referring to the main kitchen window situated to the right if the aforementioned door...

[mike tesko]

For the record - Jeremy and I disagreed over which kitchen window PC Collins had looked into, prior to the back court yard door being smashed in, and entry to the farmhouse was gained at precisely 7.30am...

Jeremy was insisting the window Collins looked into was the back kitchen window to the left of the court yard door, whereas I was certain that Collins had been referring to the main kitchen window situated to the right if the aforementioned door...

as a result of our disagreement, Jeremy decided to interpret the sighting made by PC Collins through the back kitchen window, as being evidence that Collins had seen Sheila through the back kitchen window the window to the left of the court yard door, and that as police started to smash down the external door, that Sheila had simply fled upstairs...

I disagreed, citing the messages of the police logs which stated that the body of one dead female body had been found upon entry to the kitchen, along with the body of one dead female...

[mike tesko]

as a result of our disagreement, Jeremy decided to interpret the sighting made by PC Collins through the back kitchen window, as being evidence that Collins had seen Sheila through the back kitchen window the window to the left of the court yard door, and that as police started to smash down the external door, that Sheila had simply fled upstairs...

I disagreed, citing the messages of the police logs which stated that the body of one dead female body had been found upon entry to the kitchen, along with the body of one dead female...

The body of the dead male being reference to the discovery of Ralphs body in the main kitchen, not the back kitchen...