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Offline mike tesko

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I have mentioned these factual things, in order to highlight the recorded events in part (2) of the crime scene video, involving the true circumstsnces of how Sheila Caffell sustained the second fatal under the chin shot. A secret that police and prosecuting authories have thus far managed to keep secret for over 30 years...
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The truth of the matter, is that the anshuzt rifle was not checked and made safe, until it was too late to matter anymore. Nobody checked that rifle to see if there was anymore ammunition loaded inside it, until after 10 O' clock that morning. Failure to do this beforehand cost Sheila Caffell her life. Worse still, police captured the killing of Sheila Caffell upon the second video tape taken at the crime scene, between 9.25am and 10am that morning, evidence which they did not ever want to be released or access given, to the general public...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2015, 10:39:PM by mike tesko »
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The truth of the matter, is that the anshuzt rifle was not checked and made safe, until it was too late to matter anymore. Nobody checked that rifle to see if there was anymore ammunitiin liaded insidevit, until after 10 O' clock that morning. Failure to do this beforehand cost Sheila Caffell her life. Worse still, police captured the killing of Sheila upon the second video tape taken at the crime scene, evidence which they did not ever want to be released or access given to the general public...

Not true it was checked twice- it was checked before Craig was allowed to see her body and then checked again when the gun was removed in order to take photos of the blood on her gown.

 
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Craig only saw one bullet wound on Sheila's neck at the time he pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am...
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Craig only saw one bullet wound on Sheila's neck at the time he pronounced her as being dead at 8.44am...

Nonsense, he only bothered to note 1 wound on each victim in his statement because his goal was simply to note each was killed by a gunshot wound.

Both shots were fired seconds apart according to Vanezis.  He said that she would have been substantially more had there been a gap of more than mere seconds between the first shot and fatal shot.

Every single aspect of your allegation is unsupported and in fact contradicted by the real evidence. 


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Pi Miller told Deputy Coroner Mr Thompkins at the opening of the inquests on 14 August 1985, that police were satisfied that Sheila had killed the others and then taken her own life by way of a single shot beneath the chin...
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Julie mugford went to identify the bodies, and upon returning back into the fold, told everyone present that the other 4 victims had multiple shors to the head, but when asked about Sheila, she simply pointed her index finger beneath her own chin and said that Sheila had shot herself once under the chin...
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There was a substantial and unnecessary delay before SOCO took control of the scene once DR Craig pronounced the victims dead at 8.44am. This delay of one hour and 16 minutes allowed senior officers and other firearm officers to danage the crime scene, rearrange it, and led to the moment when Sheila was killed as a result of the loaded rifle being being moved onto her body from the window....
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Pi Miller told Deputy Coroner Mr Thompkins at the opening of the inquests on 14 August 1985, that police were satisfied that Sheila had killed the others and then taken her own life by way of a single shot beneath the chin...

In his witness statement describing the occasion he first saw Sheila in the bedroom, Miller states quite clearly that Sheila only had a solitary shot in the neck, and that her body was laid "ON" the far side of the bed, not next to it, or not on the bed...
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SHEILA was photographed laid on the bed with only a solitary bullet wound in her neck...
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Sheila's body was videod laid on the bed with only one bullet wound present in her neck...
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According to a retired officer who was present at the scene, the actual moment that Sheila was shot under the chin was captured in the crime scene video, including the moment that her body was moved from the bed onto the bedroom floor. He informed us only this week that after police had inflicted the second shot which penetrated beneath her chin, that her body was lifted from the bed onto the floor and placed in a considerably different position than her body ended up in. He told us that her body was placed on its right hand side and that one officer in particular tried to stem the blood flow from the second shot by placing his fingers over the bullet hole which was leaking blood, but that after a few minutes he removed his fingers and the fresh blood that was leaking from the fresh wound (the most recent second wound), the blood ran over the bloodied fingermarks he had left in that part of the neck. He informed us that blood had run in all directions from her mouth and nostrils during the movement of her body from the bed to the bedroom floor, and that some of it pooled into her left eye socket...

all recorded in the second part of the crime scene video currently withheld under pii...
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 09:40:AM by mike tesko »
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When that officer addressed cyclops members the other day here in Spain, they asked questions of him which helps to clarify the multi - directional blood flow which came about as a result of the body movement after the second shot had been inflicted, as opposed to the barely visible solitary verticle blood trail on Sheila's neck?  It was very interesting listening to the exchanges between 'Z' and team Cyclops. The gist of the questioning went something like this:-

Cyclops - what characteristics involving blood flow from the two bullet wounds, help to determine that both shots were either inflected close together, as opposed to there having been a considerable delay between both?

'Z' - blood flow from the inital wound inflicted downstairs in the kitchen occurred when Sheila was stood in lets say it was an upright position. She was stood upright, involved in a struggle. She was not entirely upright, since in that initial struggle with the officer, she was weaving back  / forth, and side to side. She was grabbing onto the barrel of the officers rifle as he was negotiating coming into the kitchen through what turned out to be a narrow gap between the edge of the door, and the door jamb. The door we are talking about opened inward, and so the barrel of the officers rifle was always pointing away from Sheila as the officer first started to make his entry into the main kitchen from the hallway beyond.  What happened was that Sheila grabbed at the barrel before the officers body had even come into view. During this initial contact the barrel of the gun which was fitted with a sound moderator, came into contact with the wall just inside the kitchen and damaged it. This damage was in the form of scratch and gouge marks upon the wall near that door. However, the officer did manage to get beyond the gap into the kitchen, whilst all the while grappling over control of his weapon. Once inside the kitchen the struggle escalated and furniture and chairs /stools were knocked over. It was a furocious struggle, right up until the moment when Sheila pulled the muzzle of the guns barrel into her own throat which councided with the officer involuntarily activating the trigger of his weapon.  Sheila fell to the floor immediately as if dead. There was very little external blood visible, which caused all the police who were present within 30 seconds or so of this shooting incident occurring in the kitchen, to mistakenly believe that she had been killed. The majority of bleeding in this instance must have occurred internally, as opposed to externally, because there was only a small amount of blood which flowed from this solitary wound, and the direction of this particular flow of blood could best be described as having been almost verticle in direction...

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When that officer addressed cyclops members the other day here in Spain, they asked questions of him which helps to clarify the multi - directional blood flow which came about as a result of the body movement after the second shot had been inflicted, as opposed to the barely visible solitary verticle blood trail on Sheila's neck?  It was very interesting listening to the exchanges between 'Z' and team Cyclops. The gist of the questioning went something like this:-

Cyclops - what characteristics involving blood flow from the two bullet wounds, help to determine that both shots were either inflected close together, as opposed to there having been a considerable delay between both?

'Z' - blood flow from the inital wound inflicted downstairs in the kitchen occurred when Sheila was stood in lets say it was an upright position. She was stood upright, involved in a struggle. She was not entirely upright, since in that initial struggle with the officer, she was weaving back  / forth, and side to side. She was grabbing onto the barrel of the officers rifle as he was negotiating coming into the kitchen through what turned out to be a narrow gap between the edge of the door, and the door jamb. The door we are talking about opened inward, and so the barrel of the officers rifle was always pointing away from Sheila as the officer first started to make his entry into the main kitchen from the hallway beyond.  What happened was that Sheila grabbed at the barrel before the officers body had even come into view. During this initial contact the barrel of the gun which was fitted with a sound moderator, came into contact with the wall just inside the kitchen and damaged it. This damage was in the form of scratch and gouge marks upon the wall near that door. However, the officer did manage to get beyond the gap into the kitchen, whilst all the while grappling over control of his weapon. Once inside the kitchen the struggle escalated and furniture and chairs /stools were knocked over. It was a furocious struggle, right up until the moment when Sheila pulled the muzzle of the guns barrel into her own throat which councided with the officer involuntarily activating the trigger of his weapon.  Sheila fell to the floor immediately as if dead. There was very little external blood visible, which caused all the police who were present within 30 seconds or so of this shooting incident occurring in the kitchen, to mistakenly believe that she had been killed. The majority of bleeding in this instance must have occurred internally, as opposed to externally, because there was only a small amount of blood which flowed from this solitary wound, and the direction of this particular flow of blood could best be described as having been almost verticle in direction...

He went on to say that there was considerable difference in directional blood flow emminating from the first wound, as opposed to directional blood flow from the second wound inflicted under the chin, which flowed this way and then that way, so on and so forth...
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Cyclops member - how much time elapsed to your knowlege, between the infliction of the first and second wounds?

'Z' - sheila was officially shot according to the officers report dealing with this shooting incident in the kitchen, at 7.35am. She was eventually shot a second time at 9.13am, so there was a 98 minutes delay in between the 2 shots she sustained. The first shot inflicted when she was stood upright in the kitchen downstairs, the second shot was inflicted whilst she was laid flat out on the bed...
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 02:45:PM by mike tesko »
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