13 bullet cases in m/bedroom, yet no follower plate mark found on them...

[scipio_usmc]

Seven bullets fired, producing 8 bullet wounds (Ralph Bamber), all seven bullets recovered from inside his body.

Seven bullets fired, producing 7 bullet wounds (June Bamber), four bullets recovered from her body, three loose bullets recovered from the main bedroom.

One loose bullet, recovered from the main bedroom.

Two bullets fired, producing two bullet wounds (Sheila Caffell), two bullets recovered from her body.

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12 cartridge cases recovered from the main bedroom, producing 13 bullets, linked to same bedroom, do not add up, something is very wrong with your calculation:-

Lets go through the known facts, of who got shot in that bedroom according to you...

June Bamber, she got shot 7 times, which must be linked to 7 of the 12 recovered cartridge cases found in the main bedroom, leaving 5 cartridge cases to still be accounted for - three bullets recovered from Ralphs body, all supposedly fired into his body whilst he was present inside that bedroom, so this takes up another three of the five cartridge cases, leaving two cartridge cases to be accounted for. All appears well up to this point, but then things start to take a turn for the worst, because we still have 1 loose bullet recovered from the bedroom, and two shots into Sheila to deal with, producing a total of three bullets requiring three cartridge cases to be matched to, but where only two exist. Now, one of the two remaining cartridge cases must relate to the loose bullet discovered in that bedroom, and this leaves just one cartridge case against which to match to two shots into Sheila's neck, but only one of these shots can be accounted for by the solitary cartridge case remaining to be accounted for in that bedroom...

We are left with, one bullet fired into Sheila's neck, without a corresponding bullet case found in that bedroom...

The only reasonable conclusion one can arrive at, is that one of the two shots fired into Sheila's neck, was inflicted in another part of the farmhouse...

Do you not agree...

No because as I demonstrated yesterday there were 13 casings found in the master bedroom not 12 and DRH/1 &2 were by Sheila so the casings from her wounds are especially not in doubt. 


13 In the master bedroom: DRH/1,2, 3, 4, 6, 7A, 7B, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 43

[mike tesko]

No because as I demonstrated yesterday there were 13 casings found in the master bedroom not 12 and DRH/1 &2 were by Sheila so the casings from her wounds are especially not in doubt. 


13 In the master bedroom: DRH/1,2, 3, 4, 6, 7A, 7B, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 43

What gives you the authority to move one of the cartridge cases from the upstairs landing, into the main bedroom?

[scipio_usmc]

What gives you the authority to move one of the cartridge cases from the upstairs landing, into the main bedroom?

The one in the hall was DRH/14 and it corresponds to one of the shots fired in the kitchen because only 3 were found in the kitchen though 4 shots were fired there.

[mike tesko]

The one in the hall was DRH/14 and it corresponds to one of the shots fired in the kitchen because only 3 were found in the kitchen though 4 shots were fired there.

Four shots were fired in the kitchen, Ralph (3), Sheila Caffell (1), I agree...

[mike tesko]

If one of the 7 shots fired at Ralph Bamber caused a graze, and then caused another wound in a different part of his body, with the bullet in question becoming deposited inside Ralphs body, then one of the four loose bullets found in the bedroom cannot relate to a shot fired at Ralph Bamber...

[scipio_usmc]

Four shots were fired in the kitchen, Ralph (3), Sheila Caffell (1), I agree...

Sheila received both wounds in the bedroom.  There were 13 casings there. 

Nevill was shot 4 times in the kitchen.  Had any of his head wounds been delivered elsewhere he never would have made it to the kitchen.  Moreover the position he found is what enabled his head to be targeted.  The 4 shots feature in 2 batches of 2 shots in each batch.  The killer fired 2 in rapid succession then moved a little and fired 2 more in rapid succession.

[scipio_usmc]

If one of the 7 shots fired at Ralph Bamber caused a graze, and then caused another wound in a different part of his body, with the bullet in question becoming deposited inside Ralphs body, then one of the four loose bullets found in the bedroom cannot relate to a shot fired at Ralph Bamber...

Nevill suffered 8 gunshot wounds.  A small piece of the bullet that grazed him broke off and entered his side but it was too tiny for Vanezis to recover.  The rest of the bullet was found in the bedroom. It grazed his arm, a piece broke off and entered his side the rest of the bullet grazed his chest and landed in the room.

His other 7 wounds resulted in the bullets entering him and being recovered by Vanezis.

Nevill
Master Bedroom wounds
1)PV/2  (Shoulder)
2)Arm/chest Graze wound -1 of the following: DRH/5, 9, 15, or 35  (remaining 3 correspond to June) 
3) PV/10 (lip)         
4) PV/11 (jaw)
PV/5 fragment broken from either PV10 or PV11 

Kitchen wounds
5) PV/3 (skull)
6) PV/4 (skull)
7) PV/8 (skull)
8 ) PV/9 (skull)

[mike tesko]

How did the badly fragmented bullet pieces (PV/20) recovered from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on the 7th August 1985, become transformed back into a whole bullet by the time the ballistic expert Fletcher received it at the lab' on the 20th September 1985?

[scipio_usmc]

How did the badly fragmented bullet pieces (PV/20) recovered from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on the 7th August 1985, become transformed back into a whole bullet by the time the ballistic expert Fletcher received it at the lab' on the 20th September 1985?

It wasn't a whole bullet.  A full third of the bullet broke off. So the the largest fragment was PV/20 the remaining third of the bullet was in numerous small pieces. 



You can even see the shape of PV/20 as shown below the xray matches the shape of PV/20 in the xray.  The round cavity of PV/20 didn't show up in the xray so you see a round void.

[mike tesko]

It wasn't a whole bullet.  A full third of the bullet broke off. So the the largest fragment was PV/20 the remaining third of the bullet was in numerous small pieces. 



You can even see the shape of PV/20 as shown below the xray matches the shape of PV/20 in the xray.  The round cavity of PV/20 didn't show up in the xray so you see a round void.

So, you agree that the original PV/20 was not a whole bullet, so at least we are in agreement about something of some significance. Now, for your information the image you have posted of the badly damaged and distorted bullet, was a photograph taken by the defence ballistic expert, Major Mead, during his examination of the batch of crime scene ammunition (I think he took this and other images of bullets, during May 1986). We agree that the photographed example is the same as was removed by the pathologist, Peter Venezis, during autopsy performed on the afternoon of the 7th August 1985. The recorded weight was the weight of the damage bullet, as weighed by Major Mead, on that occasion, and clearly the bullet weight on this occasion demonstrated that this bullet was not a whole bullet, contrary to that described by the prosecution ballistics expert, Malcolm Fletcher, who in all his reports and findings described bullet PV/20, as a whole one (when it can't have been...

For your information the police did not provide this image to Jeremy, it was Jeremy and his legal team who remembered that Major Mead had photographed some of the bullets which he examined at Huntingdon Lab' in May 1986, and requested copies of those / these...

Conversion of the recorded (24.46) GRAIN weight, into GRAM weight, produces the following:- 1.714579g

Eley manufacturers specified weight for .22LR subsonic hollow point is 2.26 grams , from Hunter's book , but I think it is posted elsewhere as you say. The bullets bearing Hammersley's initials on exhibit numbers weigh 2.44 , 2.43 , 2.42 , 2.42 and the fifth , described as near whole , weighed 1.67 grams .

     There are many anomalies in the ballistics which are indicative of deceit .

[mike tesko]

Lets look at the five loose bullets police recovered from the scene:-

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom
(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified. Four of these bullets weighed considerably more, than the standard manufacturers bullet weight specification produced by Eley for .22 LR subsonic hollow point bullets, the other weighed considerably less...

[mike tesko]

Lets look at the five loose bullets police recovered from the scene:-

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom
(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified. Four of these bullets weighed considerably more, than the standard manufacturers bullet weight specification produced by Eley for .22 LR subsonic hollow point bullets, the other weighed considerably less...

Of these bullets, four of them were linked or associated by varying degree with rifle 18, the other which was considerably smaller in size, could not be associated to rifle 18...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom (Linked to rifle 18)

(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom (Not linked to rifle 18)

[scipio_usmc]

So, you agree that the original PV/20 was not a whole bullet, so at least we are in agreement about something of some significance. Now, for your information the image you have posted of the badly damaged and distorted bullet, was a photograph taken by the defence ballistic expert, Major Mead, during his examination of the batch of crime scene ammunition (I think he took this and other images of bullets, during May 1986). We agree that the photographed example is the same as was removed by the pathologist, Peter Venezis, during autopsy performed on the afternoon of the 7th August 1985. The recorded weight was the weight of the damage bullet, as weighed by Major Mead, on that occasion, and clearly the bullet weight on this occasion demonstrated that this bullet was not a whole bullet, contrary to that described by the prosecution ballistics expert, Malcolm Fletcher, who in all his reports and findings described bullet PV/20, as a whole one (when it can't have been...

For your information the police did not provide this image to Jeremy, it was Jeremy and his legal team who remembered that Major Mead had photographed some of the bullets which he examined at Huntingdon Lab' in May 1986, and requested copies of those / these...

Conversion of the recorded (24.46) GRAIN weight, into GRAM weight, produces the following:- 1.714579g

Fletcher never claimed it was a whole bullet.  By definition they are all fragments because not a single bullet that was fully intact.  Fletcher notations in his notes that said whole bullet didn't mean that it was a full 40 grain bullet.  The notes were for his own purposes. At trial he never claimed full bullets were found.  It is another of your strawmen.

[scipio_usmc]

Lets look at the five loose bullets police recovered from the scene:-

It would be a worthwhile exercise to identify these 5 bullets by reference to their exhibit marks, with a view to establishing which victims they were, or have been associated with or to...

(1) - 2.44 (exhibit mark, DRH/35a) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(2) - 2.43 (exhibit mark, DRH/35b) recovered from pillow of main bed in main bedroom
(3) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/5) recovered from near dressing table in main bedroom)
(4) - 2.42 (exhibit mark, DRH/36) recovered from RH edge of LH bed in twins bedroom
(5) - 1.67 (exhibit mark, DRH/9) recovered from main bed in main bedroom)

What we discover, is that each of the aforementioned bullets, passed through the bodies of victims, and were found laying loosely in the corresponding locations specified. Four of these bullets weighed considerably more, than the standard manufacturers bullet weight specification produced by Eley for .22 LR subsonic hollow point bullets, the other weighed considerably less...

They weigh 40 grains when whole.  No recovered bullet was 40 grains or more they were all less.

[mike tesko]

Mystery of the Fragmented Bullet

This article relates to the fragmented bullet that was found in Sheila Caffell’s neck after supposedly having been shot with a rifle with a sound moderator attached.   The significance of the sound moderator being attached to the rifle is as follows……..

Had the sound moderator actually been attached then it would have been impossible for Sheila to have committed suicide since the sound moderator was found in a cupboard downstairs some time after the murders.  This would therefore lead us to the conclusion (as Essex Police would like us to think) that Jeremy carried out the murders.   In order to introduce the sound moderator into the picture, it was necessary to replace the fragmented bullet with a whole bullet.  This whole bullet could then be fired through a sound moderator in order to ‘give the impression’ that a sound moderator had been used, thus incriminating Jeremy. However if the sound moderator had actually been attached to the rifle at the time of the murders, then why would Essex Police have had to lie/cover up/ tamper with evidence?
 
The fragmented bullet PV/20
 
Facts

 There are sixty documents verifying the fragmented bullet PV/20 was replaced by a whole bullet.  This whole bullet was then replaced by a further bullet which had been fired through a sound moderator. There are photos of all bullets including PV/20 depicted as a fragmented and as a whole bullet. Both whole bullets had been weighed twice: these are recorded both in the metric and imperial system. The chart reveals a disparity between the two recorded weights of the bullet PV/20.  This was overlooked until the grains were converted into grams.   Both of these weights are more or less consistent with a whole bullet, which matches the photo of PV/20: not the 15 tiny fragments as in the x-rays.
 
Questions

Why has the discrepancy in weight between the two whole bullets not been questioned by police?  The weight of the first bullet was 23.83 grains, the second, 26.46 grains: thus confirming that one bullet must surely have been replaced with another.
 
Why did the police destroy these bullets?  Had the Defence had the opportunity to forensically examine the bullets, it may have resolved the issue of whether Sheila’s wounds were sustained with or without the sound moderator attached to the rifle.
 
Why has the destroying of the said bullets not been questioned?  This issue was central to the Jeremy’s case at his 1986 trial?  Four Police enquiries took place between 1985 and 2002, yet still this issue was not investigated.
 
Conclusion

The question must be raised as to why the police replaced the shattered bullet with not one but two whole bullets.One may deduce it was necessary so that the ’whole’ bullet could then be fired through a sound moderator in order to convince the court that a sound moderator had been used in the murders?
It was imperative for the prosecution to convince the jury that the sound moderator had been used.   With it attached to the rifle, it would have proved impossible for Sheila to have carried out the murders and then shoot herself before replacing the sound moderator in the downstairs gun cupboard. However if a silencer had ‘genuinely’ been used in the murders then why the need to replace the shattered bullet with a whole bullet?
 
Surely this refutes the whole theory that the silencer was used in the murders, thus supporting the ‘Red paint/sound moderator/scratch mark issue’.