Another Freudian Slip?

[Adam]

Why would he be pissed at the police. They had despatched cars and were meeting him at WHF.

Thought he would be more concerned about his family.

[guest2181]

Why would he be pissed at the police. They had despatched cars and were meeting him at WHF.

Thought he would be more concerned about his family.

Yes you would think so.

But there is no time for a call to Julie AFTER calling the police, so why invent that scenario?

[Patti]

How do you know what research he did or didn't do? 

Perhaps he made a call from WHF to his house in Goldhanger, which was picked up by the answer phone, which he later deleted. Perhaps he erroneously thought the police COULD trace a call?

I think we can safely say he did not google....So if he wanted to know the ins and outs of tracing calls he would have had to have either known someone who worked for BT...but, no one has ever come forward to say he had asked about calls, so maybe we can rule that one out...The only way he would know, I guess, is to call BT anonymously and ask them. He could have, or he may not have, or he could have assumed that the call would be traced.

He could have phoned from WHF to Goldhanger, but there is no proof of that either....but it is possible.  At trial he was supposed to have phoned Julie at 3am from Goldhanger which puts him at home, or does it?  AE said he told police in his first statement that he received a call from his father at 3am....

[Patti]

Well who knows?

JB gave two accounts.

1. He phoned Julie first and said he couldn't talk for long because he needed to call the police.
2. He phoned Julie after the police because he was pissed at the police.

 

Which is it? Which sounds better. 

I don't know Hartley, but you would think if he had planned this for several months he would have memorized the sequence of events...

Of course it sounds better to say that he called Julie after he had called the police, but he would not commit to that, he told Jones he was unsure and that he could not remember...

To me he was not well rehearsed or was he telling the truth, that he could not remember....He did keep saying to Jones that his first statement would be more reliable. 

[guest2181]

I think we can safely say he did not google....So if he wanted to know the ins and outs of tracing calls he would have had to have either known someone who worked for BT...but, no one has ever come forward to say he had asked about calls, so maybe we can rule that one out...The only way he would know, I guess, is to call BT anonymously and ask them. He could have, or he may not have, or he could have assumed that the call would be traced.

He could have phoned from WHF to Goldhanger, but there is no proof of that either....but it is possible.  At trial he was supposed to have phoned Julie at 3am from Goldhanger which puts him at home, or does it?  AE said he told police in his first statement that he received a call from his father at 3am....

Maybe he simply assumed calls could be traced, and set them up accordingly. Or he knew that the couldn't (from whatever source) and relied on that.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to suggest? 

[guest2181]

I don't know Hartley, but you would think if he had planned this for several months he would have memorized the sequence of events...

Of course it sounds better to say that he called Julie after he had called the police, but he would not commit to that, he told Jones he was unsure and that he could not remember...

To me he was not well rehearsed or was he telling the truth, that he could not remember....He did keep saying to Jones that his first statement would be more reliable. 

I still occasionally have the thought that the suicide situation simply presented itself and what followed was made up as he went along.

[guest2181]

I don't know Hartley, but you would think if he had planned this for several months he would have memorized the sequence of events...

Of course it sounds better to say that he called Julie after he had called the police, but he would not commit to that, he told Jones he was unsure and that he could not remember...

To me he was not well rehearsed or was he telling the truth, that he could not remember....He did keep saying to Jones that his first statement would be more reliable. 

It might sound better, but the various timings don't make it possible.  So he's made that part up. Surely you see that?

[Patti]

It might sound better, but the various timings don't make it possible.  So he's made that part up. Surely you see that?

To be honest with you I do not know.  The facts surrounding the calls are not reliable enough for me to come to any positive conclusion. Sorry. 

[guest2181]

To be honest with you I do not know.  The facts surrounding the calls are not reliable enough for me to come to any positive conclusion. Sorry. 

What is clear is that has stated that called Julie before calling the police, then changed his story and stated that he called her after calling the police.

You can put that down to being traumatised or confused, but personally I put it down to changing his story to suit his manipulation of events.

Caroline's point about his alleged fear of him being lured to the house to also be shot, seems to equally fit in to that category.

It does appear to be a rather telling slip up.

[Stephanie]

What is clear is that has stated that called Julie before calling the police, then changed his story and stated that he called her after calling the police.

You can put that down to being traumatised or confused, but personally I put it down to changing his story to suit his manipulation of events.

Caroline's point about his alleged fear of him being lured to the house to also be shot, seems to equally fit in to that category.

It does appear to be a rather telling slip up.

Indeed.

[Alias]

I still occasionally have the thought that the suicide situation simply presented itself and what followed was made up as he went along.

I don´t think anyone would think that a two shot murder presented itself as a suicide situation.

[scipio_usmc]

The police offered the keys to Jeremy after they had finished their investigations and he declined them and suggested they gave them to AE, why would he do that when all he had to do was take the keys to his house and walk in through the door, lock it behind him and tie up all the  loose ends he needed to. Doubt he'd give away the keys wait a while then climb through a window one night to retrieve the silencer.

He was too interested in partying to get the keys.  He was going away for an extended vacation so told police to give them to his family.  He used the opportunity to pretend he was too upset to ever go to WHF again he gave a performance saying he would never step foot in again  Then after returning from his weekend of partying what did he do?  Doh  he went to WHF to get his father's wallet and take a look at the items he thought he would be able to sell.

When the police gave up the keys it meant they were done with the place he didn't expect them to go back. There was no need to run in to get the moderator and take it back to his place for hiding.  If he took it to his place right away and police did search his place they would wonder why he had the moderator at his place and he would have had bigger problems.

He didn't expect they would be able to tell Sheila's blood was inside and that thus it was attached during the murders.  He didn't understand the forensic possibilities.  He felt putting it away and saying the gun didn't have it attached was good enough.

[guest2181]

I don´t think anyone would think that a two shot murder presented itself as a suicide situation.

Clearly many people did, and do?

[Patti]

What is clear is that has stated that called Julie before calling the police, then changed his story and stated that he called her after calling the police.

You can put that down to being traumatised or confused, but personally I put it down to changing his story to suit his manipulation of events.

Caroline's point about his alleged fear of him being lured to the house to also be shot, seems to equally fit in to that category.

It does appear to be a rather telling slip up.

Jeremy initially told the police that he called Julie after he called the police. Jones confused him and tripped him up...it was then he said he could not remember the sequence of events...

Hartley, I can't take that comment to fit any category, for I don't know the situation, body language or the conversation that surrounded that comment....Surely AE would have picked on that comment, but she didn't. The other things is that we do not know if that comment is from memory or from one of Ann's cards....

It might appear telling to those who think he guilty, but I am not sure one way or the other, but I do sway towards the innocent side   ....but that might be because the case its self was so badly handled, full of flaws, plus I am so suspicious of Jones....for some reason.

If anyone will persuade me it will be Scip, but he has got to stop being so biased lol

 

[guest2181]

Jeremy initially told the police that he called Julie after he called the police. Jones confused him and tripped him up...it was then he said he could not remember the sequence of events...

Hartley, I can't take that comment to fit any category, for I don't know the situation, body language or the conversation that surrounded that comment....Surely AE would have picked on that comment, but she didn't. The other things is that we do not know if that comment is from memory or from one of Ann's cards....

It might appear telling to those who think he guilty, but I am not sure one way or the other, but I do sway towards the innocent side   ....but that might be because the case its self was so badly handled, full of flaws, plus I am so suspicious of Jones....for some reason.

If anyone will persuade me it will be Scip, but he has got to stop being so biased lol

 

I wasn't aware that anybody was trying to persuade you of anything. What would be the point?