Another Freudian Slip?

[Patti]

Jeremy has always jumped on the fact that the relatives found the silencer.

As if no one outside a police force has ever found evidence. Or approached the police with information or suspicions.

Everyone did this to frame Jeremy.

I think Jeremy was peeved that the police did not find anything until their 3rd extensive examination in October....

If they had done their job correctly in the first place we would not be here today, maybe?

But, nice to meet you Adam....regardless. 

[Adam]

In February 1996, Essex police took the bizarre decision, in contravention of their own guidelines, to destroy the outstanding forensic evidence relating to the case: therefore all we will ever know about the blood found in the silencer is that it could have been Sheila’s, and could not have been either Nevill’s or June’s alone, although there was a remote possibility it was a mixture from that of both. This was important as the latter possibility would not have excluded Sheila being responsible for the deaths and then returning the silencer to the cupboard before taking her own life, albeit that this would seem hard to fathom.

From 'Crimes hearts and coronets'.

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio it seems Jeremy had it all worked out very well but guess he was too clever in this respect.

He lucked out in that many of the things that made no sense were initially overlooked by the police.  They were overlooked despite the family pointing out the problems such as the family pointing out he lied about the gun not fitting in the closet with the scope and moderator attached and were normally kept in the clothed with these accessories attached.  That is one of the reasons why superiors were dismayed to learn their subordinates were ignoring such things instead of investigating them and thus shirking their duty.

The fact they did such gave him great confidence and he kept lying and changing accounts without a worry. Even during his interrogation they failed to bring up many of his lies and to ask him to account.   

[Adam]

 Evidence provided by DNA testing would be used to catch a criminal in Britain for the first time only 12 months later.

From C, H and C.

[scipio_usmc]

I think Jeremy was peeved that the police did not find anything until their 3rd extensive examination in October....

If they had done their job correctly in the first place we would not be here today, maybe?

But, nice to meet you Adam....regardless. 

It is unrealistic that the family planted her blood and removed it from the rifle.  The only allegation of planting that is plausible is the lab.  That allegation would have been made even if police took the moderator themselves from day 1 .  I don't believe that such would have resulted in Jeremy's defense being less vigorous and the various books etc not being published.  Julie still didn't come clean till September and they still would not have processed the moderator till September unless Cook had some huge awakening in addition to the moderator being collected day 1.



   

[susan]

Scipio if Jeremy did use a silencer I think it was very careless of him to leave it behind in the cupboard with evidence on it.  He must have been too confident or plain stupid yet he seemed to have it all worked out pretty well well maybe not as he was caught.

[Stephanie]

Scipio if Jeremy did use a silencer I think it was very careless of him to leave it behind in the cupboard with evidence on it.  He must have been too confident or plain stupid yet he seemed to have it all worked out pretty well well maybe not as he was caught.

Agreed!

[Jan]

Jeremy has always jumped on the fact that the relatives found the silencer.

As if no one outside a police force has ever found evidence. Or approached the police with information or suspicions.

Everyone did this to frame Jeremy.

Of course he did . They already allegedly had their suspicions and had discussed those . So as soon as they found it they should have got the police there and NOT removed it from the crime scene. They Just made a bad situation ( the police not doing their job properly ) worse.

[Patti]

It is unrealistic that the family planted her blood and removed it from the rifle.  The only allegation of planting that is plausible is the lab.  That allegation would have been made even if police took the moderator themselves from day 1 .  I don't believe that such would have resulted in Jeremy's defense being less vigorous and the various books etc not being published.  Julie still didn't come clean till September and they still would not have processed the moderator till September unless Cook had some huge awakening in addition to the moderator being collected day 1.



   

I disagree Scip.  No way do I think the family planted anything or that the lab was involved.  The silencer had a rather bizarre history, of which most of us can agree on.  The silencer was kept at the station for over a month as were the blood samples which were kept in the fridge.

Please don't bite my head off when I say this, but when the silencer was found, I suspect that it was fitted to rifle (18) before test firing or it was sent to the lab.  The reason I think that is simple....in order to see if a shoe fits you first have to try it on and that is what I think happened to the silencer, it was fitted onto the rifle to see if it fit.  Also it could have been contaminated. This does not explain how the DNA got under the baffles though.

Going back to trial the silencer was tested using the ABO method...

In 2002 they used LCN DNA the results of that test states that it may have been Sheila's DNA but the tests were inconclusive.  They excepted that it was June's DNA and the other was that of an unknown male. 

The unknown male is significant for it demonstrates the possibility of contamination.  However, it cannot be certain that the DNA found came blood, so therefore the silencer/crowns case fails.

Spinning again 

[Adam]

Did Bamber enter WHF post massacre, after the relatives had found the silencer ?

He said he entered to get documentation for his holiday. Which is strange as he had lived in his cottage a long time.

Maybe he went back to tidy up some loose ends. Including disposing of or cleaning the silencer. But the relatives already had it.

[Jan]

In February 1996, Essex police took the bizarre decision, in contravention of their own guidelines, to destroy the outstanding forensic evidence relating to the case: therefore all we will ever know about the blood found in the silencer is that it could have been Sheila’s, and could not have been either Nevill’s or June’s alone, although there was a remote possibility it was a mixture from that of both. This was important as the latter possibility would not have excluded Sheila being responsible for the deaths and then returning the silencer to the cupboard before taking her own life, albeit that this would seem hard to fathom.

From 'Crimes hearts and coronets'.

I am sure Skippy will put you right on the dates of the DNA testing.

there was a programme about it last night and about how it  got used / accepted as valid evidence in criminal cases. 

And it was known about before the evidence was destroyed. It was an amazing discovery.

[Jan]

Did Bamber enter WHF post massacre, after the relatives had found the silencer ?

He said he entered to get documentation for his holiday. Which is strange as he had lived in his cottage a long time.

Maybe he went back to tidy up some loose ends. Including disposing of or cleaning the silencer. But the relatives already had it.

He needed his passport - WHF had a safe. and that was a while after the murders . He could have just accepted the keys when the police offered them to him in the beginning if he wanted to tidy up . Simples

[Alias]

He needed his passport - WHF had a safe. and that was a while after the murders . He could have just accepted the keys when the police offered them to him in the beginning if he wanted to tidy up . Simples

He quite happily gave up the keys. Would he really have done that if he had killed his family?

[Adam]

He needed his passport - WHF had a safe. and that was a while after the murders . He could have just accepted the keys when the police offered them to him in the beginning if he wanted to tidy up . Simples

Perhaps Jeremy could have bought his own safe. Perhaps he did have his own safe. I would prefer to keep everything in my own property. Unless there is a source, no one will know.

Jeremy entering WHF through the bathroom window after the massacre and creeping around, is once again, very suspicious.

[maggie]

Did Bamber enter WHF post massacre, after the relatives had found the silencer ?

He said he entered to get documentation for his holiday. Which is strange as he had lived in his cottage a long time.

Maybe he went back to tidy up some loose ends. Including disposing of or cleaning the silencer. But the relatives already had it.

The police offered the keys to Jeremy after they had finished their investigations and he declined them and suggested they gave them to AE, why would he do that when all he had to do was take the keys to his house and walk in through the door, lock it behind him and tie up all the  loose ends he needed to. Doubt he'd give away the keys wait a while then climb through a window one night to retrieve the silencer.