Another Freudian Slip?

[Stephanie]

There is a reason it is called a tangled web.  Liars often make up things on the fly and can't remember the lie they told last.  They make up different lies for different people and keep adding to their web.  If you tell one person you were an RAF fighter pilot and tell another you were an SAS commando then if they compare notes you are busted.

The most successful liars plan in advance what they will say in full and stick to the script.  they make a script that accounts for everything that reasonably can trip them up.  There was someone who made up a story of being a vet and because he researched the unit he claimed to have been in he made plausible claims.  He even someone got governmental vet benefits.  he was tripped up by chance because someone actually in the unit in a battle he claims to have been in said he didn't know him.  This spawned people to do due diligence and find out he was in fact a fraud.

The hope of fraudsters is that people will not do due diligence and will just believe them because they are so convincing or expect people will not compare notes or expect people will not remember what they claimed in the past. Because they get away with it once they get bold and keep doing it again and again.

 

There is a lie and then there is a pathological lie. Pathological lying is habitual, chronic and compulsive.

http://news.usc.edu/22586/Liars-Brains-Wired-Differently/

“Pathological liars can’t always tell truth from falsehood and contradict themselves in an interview. They are manipulative and they admit they prey on people. They are very brazen in terms of their manner, but very cool when talking about this.”

“Lying takes a lot of effort,” he said.

“It’s almost mind reading. You have to be able to understand the mindset of the other person. You also have to suppress your emotions or regulate them because you don’t want to appear nervous. There’s quite a lot to do there. You’ve got to suppress the truth."

Pathological liars have a surplus of white matter, the study found, and a deficit of gray matter. That means they have more tools to lie coupled with fewer moral restraints than normal people, Raine said.

“They’ve got the equipment to lie, and they don’t have the disinhibition that the rest of us have in telling the big whoppers,” he said.

[Stephanie]

“For example, in the legal system they could potentially be used to help police work out which suspects are lying. In terms of clinical practice, they could help clinicians diagnose who is malingering ? making up disability for financial gain.



I believe the police would have detected many things, like lying, before any trial but were naturally unable to present this as evidence in a court of law as it would have been nothing more than supposition.

[Stephanie]

Steph that makes good sense I suspect to be successful at telling lies you need to have a very good memory and at one stage he did think he had gotten away with it and became over confident especially when he was being questioned by the police and indeed during his trial. Guess he got a rude awakening I must add his attitude could have been attributed to the fact  he knew he was innocent and that is why he was a little cocky and arrogant.  All very confusing .

I agree Susan. I posted an article above where the research suggests a pathological liar has more grey matter in the brain than the rest of us.

If he were innocent I would expect him to be afraid, angry, screwed up and extremely upset, amongst other things. I would expect his blogs to be about his innocence and innocence only. I can't fathom why he appears, after all these years, to be trying to appeal to a certain audience? Other than the fact he enjoys manipulating people and it helps inflate his ego. My opinion of course.

[Stephanie]

Steph that makes good sense I suspect to be successful at telling lies you need to have a very good memory and at one stage he did think he had gotten away with it and became over confident especially when he was being questioned by the police and indeed during his trial. Guess he got a rude awakening I must add his attitude could have been attributed to the fact  he knew he was innocent and that is why he was a little cocky and arrogant.  All very confusing .

His morality would also come into question Susan. To be able to tell whopping great porkers about his own family and their demise suggests a clear lack of moral compass.

http://www.way-of-the-mind.com/signs-of-lying.html

[Stephanie]

Psychopaths lie to make others feel sorry for them
"All psychopaths know exactly how to elicit sympathy from their targets. They are exploiters, and so they take advantage of the natural desire most people have to help and nurture their fellow human beings. They use deception (and sometimes a smidgeon of truth) to create a plethora of fabricated ailments and problems. Common pity plays include fake illnesses and injuries, along with “crazy” exes, car accidents, and theft, to name just a few. Psychopaths generate as many pretend sob stories as needed in order to draw others into their hidden games, again and again and again. The ability they have to lie pathologically, easily, and confidently makes it possible for them to convince others that such an implausible number of tragedies is plausible, which unfortunately opens the door to a variety of manipulation and exploitation opportunities.

[Stephanie]

According to AE's statement (taken between 8th and 13th Sept) she asked Jeremy why he didn't go to WHF as allegedly requested by Nevill's phone call - Jeremy replied that he was frightened that the call may have been a trick in order to lure him to the farm so Sheila could 'shoot him too'. At this point (after the supposed call from Nevill) Jeremy isn't supposed to know that anyone had been shot!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6614.msg299657.html#msg299657

[Jane]

I think he's displaying classic signs of someone who doesn't know how to "BE". He manages behaviours when he's with those whose behaviour is appropriate to the circumstances. He probably isn't aware of not having the accompanying emotions because he can't feel them.

[Stephanie]

Yes, I think so. He also told different stories to different people. He told them the stories that he thought they would accept and changed them depending on who he was speaking to at that time.

Further, I don't believe pathological liars change their stories depending on the person they are communicating too - I think they see all targets as prey. I think their excitement increases and boredom depletes dependent on who they are lying too.

[Stephanie]

I think he's displaying classic signs of someone who doesn't know how to "BE". He manages behaviours when he's with those whose behaviour is appropriate to the circumstances. He probably isn't aware of not having the accompanying emotions because he can't feel them.

Most certainly - the blogs, the interviews - his evidence....

I imagine all those people he communicates with, if they were to pool their information together they would see questionable patterns of behaviours.

[susan]

I agree Susan. I posted an article above where the research suggests a pathological liar has more grey matter in the brain than the rest of us.

If he were innocent I would expect him to be afraid, angry, screwed up and extremely upset, amongst other things. I would expect his blogs to be about his innocence and innocence only. I can't fathom why he appears, after all these years, to be trying to appeal to a certain audience? Other than the fact he enjoys manipulating people and it helps inflate his ego. My opinion of course.

Steph we will say for the sake of debate the silencer was not used in the murders and Julie was not telling the complete truth Jeremy if he is the killer would know this and I think he has protested his innocence for so long as he feels all he has to do is prove this and he will walk guilty or not guilty. Just my opinion of course.

[Jan]

Steph we will say for the sake of debate the silencer was not used in the murders and Julie was not telling the complete truth Jeremy if he is the killer would know this and I think he has protested his innocence for so long as he feels all he has to do is prove this and he will walk guilty or not guilty. Just my opinion of course.

Well if he is guilty it does look pretty certain that the silencer was not used - otherwise why would he be concentrating on it so much.

[Stephanie]

Steph we will say for the sake of debate the silencer was not used in the murders and Julie was not telling the complete truth Jeremy if he is the killer would know this and I think he has protested his innocence for so long as he feels all he has to do is prove this and he will walk guilty or not guilty. Just my opinion of course.

I imagine he's bored beyond belief and by maintaining innocence it gives him something to do.

[Adam]

Well if he is guilty it does look pretty certain that the silencer was not used - otherwise why would he be concentrating on it so much.

The silencer was used.

He only started concentrating on it after several years. Whatever any new results are, he can either keep quiet, try to manipulate the results, or claim contamination.

His supporters will see him making a fuss about it, and think there is something fishy going on with the silencer.

So is in a no lose situation.

[Jane]

Well if he is guilty it does look pretty certain that the silencer was not used - otherwise why would he be concentrating on it so much.

Because if the silencer wasn't used it's the one -the ONLY- thing he's been accused and convicted of that he really IS innocent of so he'd feel justified in continuing to proclaim it.

[Stephanie]

The silencer was used.

He only started concentrating on it after several years. Whatever any new results are, he can either keep quiet, try to manipulate the results, or claim contamination.

His supporters will see him making a fuss about it, and think there is something fishy going on with the silencer.

So is in a no lose situation.

Sounds like you talk from experience Adam?