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Re: The killlers
« Reply #540 on: April 04, 2015, 04:42:PM »
The most amazing thing to me is how fast people forget facts established on this very board.  It seems that instead of knowledge compounding it vanishes as soon as people abandon a thread so hey can revert to their biased agenda instead of applying the knowledge going forward.

Isn't it funny how those trying to create controversy out of nothing are too cowardly or too biased to comment on the absurd suggestion that Sheila used the moderator as a tampon.  If such were suggested in any context other than one supportive of Jeremy the same people expressing no comment would be all over it like flies on stink.

This also reminds me of the phenomenon known as the empathy trap.

"Excerpt: Apaths are an integral part of the sociopath’s arsenal and contribute to sociopathic abuse. Sociopaths have an uncanny knack of knowing who will assist them in bringing down the person they are targeting. It is not necessarily easy to identify an apath; in other circumstances, an apath can show ample empathy and concern for others—just not in this case. The one attribute an apath must have is a link to the target.

How apaths, who might otherwise be fair-minded people, become involved in such destructive business is not hard to understand, but it can be hard to accept. The main qualifying attribute is poor judgment resulting from lack of insight. They might be jealous of or angry at the target, and thus have something to gain from the evolving situation.

At other times, the apath might not want to see the ‘bad’ in someone, particularly if the sociopath is useful. Or they might choose not to see because they have enough on their plate and do not possess the wherewithal or moral courage to help the targeted person at that time. Usually, be it active or passive involvement, the apath’s conscience appears to fall asleep. https://psychopathresistance.wordpress.com/tag/the-empathy-trap/
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Re: The killlers
« Reply #541 on: April 04, 2015, 04:43:PM »
And the flying monkey phenomenon -

"The sociopath is a high level con who manages to dupe people so thoroughly that his/her fans will persecute, silence, and ostracize a victim who complains about mistreatment. These people are in denial and they will reject information that doesn’t correspond to their highly favorable perception of the sociopath. The victim’s accounts of abuse will upset them, and may anger them. By defending an influential sociopath and abusing his/her target by proxy, the followers prove their loyalty and hope to win favor while getting closer to the influential sociopath they are instinctively attracted to.

He is opportunistic in using such to his advantage with his supporters but they allow it and even run further than he expects them to and that still only goes so far.  That doesn't translate into the legal arena.  Many of his supporters keep raising allegations disproved long ago that Jeremy isn't even pushing anymore. A puppetmaster has control over his puppets I don't see Jeremy as having much control over those who have decided to advance his cause if anything a lot of them use his cause as part of a larger agenda they have.

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Re: The killlers
« Reply #542 on: April 04, 2015, 04:53:PM »
And I recognise this happening on this forum http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bystand.htm
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Re: The killlers
« Reply #543 on: April 04, 2015, 05:10:PM »
And I recognise this happening on this forum http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/bystand.htm

And who is guilty of that may I ask?

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Re: The killlers
« Reply #544 on: April 04, 2015, 05:13:PM »
And who is guilty of that may I ask?

I am not accusing anyone directly. Each and every one of us we are guilty of doing this to one degree or another, some more than others.

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Re: The killlers
« Reply #545 on: April 04, 2015, 06:04:PM »
Thanks Scip

The buckets in the crime scene kitchen were green.  The one in view in back kitchen looks like a metal one, but obviously we can't see round the corner.

The buckets were dark colored. They were even circled.  I will have to see if I can find the thread.  It was established the buckets were in the scullery not that it makes a difference since Sheila was known to leave buckets with her clothing soaking in the kitchen anyway.

This is one of those cases where objective people would require seeing police photos showing the buckets in the main kitchen to establish that is where they were. The house cleaner was even asked about the photos of the main kitchen sink area to attest to the condition and she noted no buckets that belonged elsewhere she noted the items on the floor were normally in the sink- the implication being things were moved to the floor after the struggle to enable someone to climb out the window.  The buckets were not int he kitchen where the struggle occurred hence why they were not spilled.

Starting on page 200 (stamped bottom right corner) she describes anything in the kitchen that doesn't belong:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.htmlhttp://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html[/url
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Re: The killlers
« Reply #546 on: April 04, 2015, 07:28:PM »
The buckets were dark colored. They were even circled.  I will have to see if I can find the thread.  It was established the buckets were in the scullery not that it makes a difference since Sheila was known to leave buckets with her clothing soaking in the kitchen anyway.

This is one of those cases where objective people would require seeing police photos showing the buckets in the main kitchen to establish that is where they were. The house cleaner was even asked about the photos of the main kitchen sink area to attest to the condition and she noted no buckets that belonged elsewhere she noted the items on the floor were normally in the sink- the implication being things were moved to the floor after the struggle to enable someone to climb out the window.  The buckets were not int he kitchen where the struggle occurred hence why they were not spilled.

Starting on page 200 (stamped bottom right corner) she describes anything in the kitchen that doesn't belong:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.htmlhttp://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4949.0.html[/url
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Re: The killlers
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Re: The killlers
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Is that a police photo taken the day of the murders?  There is a watermark from a website but all I can make out is source.co  which doesn't really provide much help.  The white top left stamp on it doesn't help either.  There what looks like a pencil shaped post it with writing on it but I can't read that either.

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Re: The killlers
« Reply #549 on: April 04, 2015, 07:56:PM »
Is that a police photo taken the day of the murders?  There is a watermark from a website but all I can make out is source.co  which doesn't really provide much help.  The white top left stamp on it doesn't help either.  There what looks like a pencil shaped post it with writing on it but I can't read that either.

Yes, it's one of the crime scene photo's
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« Reply #550 on: April 04, 2015, 07:59:PM »
Yes, it's one of the crime scene photo's

You can see blood from Nevill, poor man, in the photo I posted, you can also see the towel put there by someone in an attempt to stop the blood and also the toppled chair.

Edit to add, I think you can also see part of Nevill´s arm (the blue to the right), so I would definitely say this is a crime scene photo with the body of Nevill Bamber in situ.
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Re: The killlers
« Reply #551 on: April 04, 2015, 08:09:PM »
You can see blood from Nevill, poor man, in the photo I posted, you can also see the towel put there by someone in an attempt to stop the blood and also the toppled chair.

Yes, not an easy crime scene, if there is such a thing.
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« Reply #552 on: April 04, 2015, 08:12:PM »
Yes, not an easy crime scene, if there is such a thing.

It is indeed.

Does anyone know who placed the pillows and towel on the floor? The killer? Why?  :)

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« Reply #553 on: April 04, 2015, 08:24:PM »
Yes, it's one of the crime scene photo's

They took photos the day of and also mixed in photos from other times including staging things to appear as they often were so that is one reason why I asked.  Another is the photos I saw showed papers all over the floor by the table. I guess they could be there and could be hidden by the table given the angle.

Is the website in operation anymore that these came from?  Are there other crime scene photos they posted?

Having a photo section exclusively for crime scene photos taken the first 2 days would be helpful I think instead of having photos all mixed together.  In a thread someone posted a photo of buckets in the scullery and said it was a photo from the crime scene.  That could have been one of the photos where they staged things as they normally were.  It was represented though as being the crime scene the day of the murders. 



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Re: The killlers
« Reply #554 on: April 04, 2015, 08:26:PM »
It is indeed.

Does anyone know who placed the pillows and towel on the floor? The killer? Why?  :)

Alias that is a strange one why would the killer place a towel and cushion in such a manner does not make sense at all. ???