The killlers

[nugnug]

well theres the simple fact that all the other windows could not be locked from the outside and the police said there was nothing unsaul or diffrent about that window implying that it was the same as the other windows.

[scipio_usmc]

well theres the simple fact that all the other windows could not be locked from the outside and the police said there was nothing unsaul or diffrent about that window implying that it was the same as the other windows.

False Barlow went to WHF on August 22 with Ann Eaton and she showed him how to get it to kitchen window to lock from the outside and he noted that in a statement.  He didn't claim it was like all the other windows in the house.  He noted it didn't have a sash lock like the rest.  Numerous posts in this thread contain an attachment showing the part of the Dickinson report that mentions this do you even bother to read other poss in a thread before commenting?

[nugnug]

i know that half the stuff you cliam is in the dickenson report isnt in there.

[Jan]

False Barlow went to WHF on August 22 with Ann Eaton and she showed him how to get it to kitchen window to lock from the outside and he noted that in a statement.  He didn't claim it was like all the other windows in the house.  He noted it didn't have a sash lock like the rest.  Numerous posts in this thread contain an attachment showing the part of the Dickinson report that mentions this do you even bother to read other poss in a thread before commenting?

Did he say that in court in his evidence? Because the written document I saw did not say that?

And why did the appeal say it did not have to be proven - if it was?

And if you are referring to a particular window it was proven on then could he fit through that particular window?

[Jan]

scipio - please show me where he said in court that the window could be  LOCKED( not closed )  from the outside. Show me where he swore on oath that one window that JB could physically leave through could be locked by banging the window and I will take back everything I have said about the window.

[maggie]

scipio - please show me where he said in court that the window could be  LOCKED( not closed )  from the outside. Show me where he swore on oath that one window that JB could physically leave through could be locked by banging the window and I will take back everything I have said about the window.

I second that Jan as I have never seen that either.

[Jan]

I think what scipio is going to say is barlow made a "mistake" in his notes and meant to say LOCK . But if that is true and this was a VITAL piece of evidence - then he would have said when asked under oath  that yes the window could Lock - he saw it with his own eyes and it was big enough for JB to get through. If he did not say that when asked - then why was that?

[scipio_usmc]

i know that half the stuff you cliam is in the dickenson report isnt in there.

a snippet of the relevant point was posed thus proving it was there in the Dickinson report as I stated.  In contrast your claims invariable end up not being true, while I say can be validated.  You live in bizarro world where you pretend reality is the opposite of what it is.

[scipio_usmc]

Did he say that in court in his evidence? Because the written document I saw did not say that?

And why did the appeal say it did not have to be proven - if it was?

And if you are referring to a particular window it was proven on then could he fit through that particular window?

No he didn't say anything in court about the kitchen window not being able to be locked from the outside.

[Adam]

He said it can be 'closed'. Which means not open.

[scipio_usmc]

scipio - please show me where he said in court that the window could be  LOCKED( not closed )  from the outside. Show me where he swore on oath that one window that JB could physically leave through could be locked by banging the window and I will take back everything I have said about the window.

The claim was that he swore under oath that the windows of the house were all normal and could not be locked from the outside.  He didn't testify to that though.  I never claimed he was asked to testify under oath to the fact he was able to lock the kitchen window I just know for sure he didn't testify it couldn't be because not only would that have contradicted his statements it would have been mentioned by the courts of appeal when summarizing the evidence.

He stated in his statements the kitchen window could be locked from the outside.  All the claims over the years that he said it could not be locked from the outside were lies.

[scipio_usmc]

I think what scipio is going to say is barlow made a "mistake" in his notes and meant to say LOCK . But if that is true and this was a VITAL piece of evidence - then he would have said when asked under oath  that yes the window could Lock - he saw it with his own eyes and it was big enough for JB to get through. If he did not say that when asked - then why was that?

Quite clearly he meant lock by "closed".  His 1985 statement stated the window lock could be made to fall and lock from the outside by tapping the window. 

Post testimony of his to the court where he said the window could not be locked.   

[susan]

Adam does that mean the window would only close and not open?

[scipio_usmc]

Adam does that mean the window would only close and not open?

By open and closed he meant could be unclocked (opened) and locked (closed).  That was a statement he gave to COLP.  He was more precise in his 1985 statement where he indicated the locking bar could be made to fall by tapping on the window and thus it could be locked from the outside. 

Jeremy supporters have never provided proof he testified in court let alone posted any transcripts.  In any event they insist he testified the kitchen window was like the other windows and could not be locked from the outside though such would conflict with his 1985 statement so is not credible so they definitely need to produce proof of such before it would be believable that such occurred. 

[Adam]

Closed and shut are the same thing.

A door can be closed or shut. But someone can quite easily open it.

At WHF the window being closed/shut wasn't quite as easy as a door to open. But I'm sure Jeremy and a pen knife could open it.