The killlers

[scipio_usmc]

but in court Barlow said there was nothing unusual about the window he never said under oath that he saw the window being locked from the outside. And even if it could then if it was that small window that he got out of could he have physically done that ? Or are you saying he got through the bigger window then balanced and reached through the top window , closed the bottom one while hanging out of the window . Then lock
Ed the top one.?

No he didn't.  On August 20 he recorded that the family explained how to lock the kitchen window from the outside and he told them they might have to show him so he wrote in a report that he visited WHF with Ann Eaton on 8/22 and she showed him how to lock the kitchen window from the outside and wrote up a statement about it.  His statements are not here on this site.  The Dickinson report though notes this as does his pocketbook which is posted here:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3185.0.html



Furthermore the COA decision references it:

"Further complaint is made that the prosecution failed to disclose the fact that DC Barlow examined the windows of White House Farm on 22 August 1985 and noted nothing of significance in relation to the bathroom window. His statement of 21 November 1985 indicates that:

"on Thursday the 22nd of August I was on duty when I went to White House Farm. There I made an examination of the kitchen window"
There is no reference in the statement to the bathroom window.

In notes written for the Essex Review (after trial) he wrote:

"22/8/85 first opportunity to go to White House Farm. Examined all the windows. Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed"
He makes no suggestion of finding any entry mark associated with the bathroom window.

It is also of significance that he recorded on 20 August 1985:

"They (Robert Boulflour and Ann Eaton) thought the windows could be locked from outside the premises making particular reference to the window behind the bushes by the Geese pond facing towards the tennis court".

This would appear to be the kitchen window and provides the explanation for DC Barlow's examination of the kitchen window."

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html

[Alias]

I just said that.

No, but I suspect Mat deems me too stupid to see it.  The post was not aimed at you.

[guest154]

No, but I suspect Mat deems me too stupid to see that.  The post was not aimed at you.

You asked if Colin had made it up. I pointed out that it wasn't Colin who said it.

No he didn't.  On August 20 he visited WHF and wrote in a report that he walked around the house and took a look at the windows and didn't notice anything unusual.  2 days later he went to WHF with Ann Eaton and she showed him how to lock the kitchen window from the outside and wrote up a statement about it.  His statements are not here on this site.  The Dickinson report though notes this as does his pocketbook which is posted here:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3185.0.html

Oh a downstairs kitchen window? Thanks Scip! I feel vindicated.

[Alias]

You asked if Colin had made it up. I pointed out that it wasn't Colin who said it.

Oh a downstairs kitchen window? Thanks Scip! I feel vindicated.

You didn´t understand what I wrote - I asked if Colin made up that the relatives said this to him!

The reason you misunderstood me is because you think I am too stupid to know the content of what I post - that is where it went wrong. 

[Stephanie]

I know it's fantasy.I did it on purpose. I actually found it difficult to make something up,rather than it be factual.

Phahaha

You do make me smile Lookout 

[scipio_usmc]

You asked if Colin had made it up. I pointed out that it wasn't Colin who said it.

Oh a downstairs kitchen window? Thanks Scip! I feel vindicated.

Yes the claim that police were unable to figure out how to lock the kitchen window from the outside was another falsehood.  Naturally the statement form Barlow is not among those posted here because it would refute propaganda but the Dickinson report references what is included so it makes no difference that it isn't posted.

[Jane]

No he didn't.  On August 20 he visited WHF and wrote in a report that he walked around the house and took a look at the windows and didn't notice anything unusual.  2 days later he went to WHF with Ann Eaton and she showed him how to lock the kitchen window from the outside and wrote up a statement about it.  His statements are not here on this site.  The Dickinson report though notes this as does his pocketbook which is posted here:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3185.0.html

Stridently as I asserted that (certain types of) windows, whilst having the capability of being closed from the outside, but not locked, it seems I was wrong, however, I may yet be vindicated because Barlow adds the rider "if it was well balanced." He doesn't state how many attempts were made. No matter. Eventually it was achieved.

[Caroline]

Stridently as I asserted that (certain types of) windows, whilst having the capability of being closed from the outside, but not locked, it seems I was wrong, however, I may yet be vindicated because Barlow adds the rider "if it was well balanced." He doesn't state how many attempts were made. No matter. Eventually it was achieved.

To someone who had the 'knack' it wouldn't be difficult.

[maggie]

Stridently as I asserted that (certain types of) windows, whilst having the capability of being closed from the outside, but not locked, it seems I was wrong, however, I may yet be vindicated because Barlow adds the rider "if it was well balanced." He doesn't state how many attempts were made. No matter. Eventually it was achieved.

Which window?  The top skylight or the casement window?

[scipio_usmc]

Stridently as I asserted that (certain types of) windows, whilst having the capability of being closed from the outside, but not locked, it seems I was wrong, however, I may yet be vindicated because Barlow adds the rider "if it was well balanced." He doesn't state how many attempts were made. No matter. Eventually it was achieved.

This is one of those issues where propaganda was used. 

The allegations before the COA pertained to the bathroom window so there was no need for the COA to bother to mention that Barlow had confirmed the kitchen window could be locked from the outside.  The court simply noted he made an examination of the window not the results of his findings. 

For the COLP review Barlow wrote the following:

"22/8/85 first opportunity to go to White House Farm. Examined all the windows. Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed"

The defense griped because his statement only mentioned the kitchen window and they didn't know he looked at other windows till he admitted it in his COLP statement.

In any event, Jeremy supporters took the following: "Most are sash type and could be opened from outside but could not be closed" and pretended this means no windows not even the kitchen could be locked from the outside but this sentence was only pertaining to sash windows not the kitchen window.

This was spread as Barlow denying that any windows could be locked from the outside though in fact in 1985 he said he found out it could be locked from the outside.

It's just one more claim that was distorted and should no longer be an issue. 


 

[scipio_usmc]

Which window?  The top skylight or the casement window?

The skylight window could only be locked from the inside and who would want to go climbing onto the roof anyway when you can just step out a ground floor window?

[lookout]

He'd have got through the casement window easily with his 6 jumpers on. Saves scraping his body.
AE would have probably told JM what to look for as regards injuries.

[maggie]

The skylight window could only be locked from the inside and who would want to go climbing onto the roof anyway when you can just step out a ground floor window?

I meant the top kitchen window 

[nugnug]

Yes the claim that police were unable to figure out how to lock the kitchen window from the outside was another falsehood.  Naturally the statement form Barlow is not among those posted here because it would refute propaganda but the Dickinson report references what is included so it makes no difference that it isn't posted.

is it bollocks

[scipio_usmc]

is it bollocks

The claim Barlow said the kitchen window could not be locked from the outside is indeed bollocks he said iy could be and the defense failed to come up with anything that refuted such other than Jeremy claiming he was unable to do so.