The killlers

[Adam]

Adam we humble posters have so much to thank you for we would be stumbling along looking quite foolish had you not come along.

I remember reading the words 'poor Jeremy' a lot when first reading. Not anymore.

[Caroline]

So you think Colin made this up?

Of course he didn't make it up, he is simply repeating what he was told by the family.

[lookout]

You don't usually have any problems? (soz! Couldn't resist  )

That's because I don't normally make things up-----------touché.

[Caroline]

That's because I don't normally make things up-----------touché.

Of course not (cough!).

[Adam]

Why are people bringing up a hand gun ?

If it was Jeremy's it would be at his cottage. Not left in the WHF kitchen after he went out to shoot rabbits.

[guest154]

So you think Colin made this up?

Do I think Colin made it up??I don't know if you've read what you posted, but Colin wasn't there for the first part.
The second part..No, but I think in the aftermath of his children being murdered he was seeing things through a haze and may have taken a robin as a sign. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, people can believe what they like even if there is no proof/logical reason...happens on here!

That's because I don't normally make things up-----------touché.

I think that depends on who you ask. 

[Caroline]

Why are people bringing up a hand gun ?

If it was Jeremy's it would be at his cottage. Not left in the WHF kitchen after he went out to shoot rabbits.

'People'? I think you'll find it was one person.

[Adam]

'People'? I think you'll find it was one person.

Ann Eaton did testify that Jeremy enquired about buying a five bullet shot gun. Thread already created.

[Adam]

Now we are at the window - what are your thoughts on the following?

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""

And:

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."

Mmmm. Not sure whether this is the 17th source about the kitchen window. Another primary one as well.

Colin is confirming the relatives went to WHF to test the windows.

Thank you Alias
 

[lookout]

Of course not (cough!).

At least I didn't make up the bike and wetsuit.PMSL.

[maggie]

Far as I'm concerned, Mat, the guy says he got though a window in the past which would seem to mean he could get through a window in the present and didn't he prove it by getting in AFTER the massacres. We shouldn't be TOO hasty in calling him a liar, perhaps

He and some of his relatives climbed through windows to get into the house when the doors were locked and no one was home.  It was common knowledge and there's nothing new about that, it's only the question of a grown man climbing through a small top window without falling on his head, really don't know how he did that or being able to secure the bottom casement by reaching through the top window to secure it.  Cannot see how he could have secured the top window or skylight whichever way he exited the house.  Skylights like the one in question have arms which need to slot into place.  You couldn't do this by banging the window, really can't see how it could be done.

[Alias]

Do I think Colin made it up??I don't know if you've read what you posted, but Colin wasn't there for the first part.
The second part..No, but I think in the aftermath of his children being murdered he was seeing things through a haze and may have taken a robin as a sign. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, people can believe what they like even if there is no proof/logical reason...happens on here!

I think that depends on who you ask. 

But that is where people get it wrong, it wasn´t Colin who saw the robin as a sign, it were the relatives - they just told Colin about it.

[Caroline]

At least I didn't make up the bike and wetsuit.PMSL.

Neither did I 

[Caroline]

But that is where people get it wrong, it wasn´t Colin who saw the robin as a sign, it were the relatives - they just told Colin about it.

I just said that.

[lookout]

Neither did I 

I know,but some plonker did,and some BELIEVED it.