The killlers

[Caroline]

I can't understand why anyone would have to climb out of the small, top window if it was possible to close the bottom window by standing on the window ledge and reaching through the skylight to close it, I don't see how the skylight or top smaller window could be locked from the outside having grown up in a house with similar windows.  I would say its impossible to get the arm to fall down and lock onto the connection which holds the window closed.

I don't think that the prosecution had to prove how Jeremy entered and left WHF, just that it was possible to do so and Jeremy had already admitted it was.

[Alias]

I can't understand why anyone would have to climb out of the small, top window if it was possible to close the bottom window by standing on the window ledge and reaching through the skylight to close it, I don't see how the skylight or top smaller window could be locked from the outside having grown up in a house with similar windows.  I would say its impossible to get the arm to fall down and lock onto the connection which holds the window closed.

It has been cleared up that that was not the window in question, but one of the lower windows.
The point I was trying to make was that guilters were perfectly willing to believe that the upper window was the one Jeremy exited through.

[guest154]

He wouldn't have told his father for a start.He'd have bought one from London from any dodgy dealer.That would have been no problem obtaining one at all. The rest he'd have worked out and found a way being as he was a " manipulator " .

You're bending over backwards there Lookout.

I agree, fantasy.

It has been cleared up that that was not the window in question, but one of the lower windows.
The point I was trying to make was that guilters were perfectly willing to believe that the upper window was the one Jeremy exited through.

I've always thought it was one in the kitchen - I don't know if that was the one used or not. Either way, BAMBER said he could do it.

[Jane]

You're bending over backwards there Lookout.

I agree, fantasy.

I've always thought it was one in the kitchen - I don't know if that was the one used or not. Either way, BAMBER said he could do it.

Oh dear! Was it NOT the one in the kitchen ?

[Alias]

You're bending over backwards there Lookout.

I agree, fantasy.

I've always thought it was one in the kitchen - I don't know if that was the one used or not. Either way, BAMBER said he could do it.

I remember people thinking it was the narrow one on top.

[guest154]

Oh dear! Was it NOT the one in the kitchen ?

I think it was Apes, not sure what guilters are being accused of this time but Bamber says he could do it. Maybe Jeremy was lying!!

[Caroline]

I think it was Apes, not sure what guilters are being accused of this time but Bamber says he could do it. Maybe Jeremy was lying!!

Surely not? 

[Jane]

I think it was Apes, not sure what guilters are being accused of this time but Bamber says he could do it. Maybe Jeremy was lying!!

Far as I'm concerned, Mat, the guy says he got though a window in the past which would seem to mean he could get through a window in the present and didn't he prove it by getting in AFTER the massacres. We shouldn't be TOO hasty in calling him a liar, perhaps

[Alias]

Now we are at the window - what are your thoughts on the following?

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""

And:

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."

[lookout]

 I know it's fantasy.I did it on purpose. I actually found it difficult to make something up,rather than it be factual.

[Caroline]

Now we are at the window - what are your thoughts on the following?

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""

And:

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."

Hog wash.

[Caroline]

I know it's fantasy.I did it on purpose. I actually found it difficult to make something up,rather than it be factual.

You don't usually have any problems? (soz! Couldn't resist  )

[guest154]

Now we are at the window - what are your thoughts on the following?

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""

And:

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."

Oh you're mocking the Robin again? 
What does that have to do with anything? It obviously wasn't used in court - it didn't form any part of the case it's just something Colin, a man who had his children slaughtered, wrote in HIS book. Of course I don't believe it.

[Jane]

Now we are at the window - what are your thoughts on the following?

Colin´s book, page 173:
"I learnt another surprising story that afternoon. Apparently, only weeks after the shootings, while the family were all at Whitehouse trying to decide which window Jeremy had used to get out, a robin flew in through the back door and landed on the kitchen window-sill.
When Anthony tried to capture it and put it outside, the robin flew past the open door and landed by the scullery window - the other one they had been debating over. On each attempt to catch it the robin flew past the open door and back to the other window-sill. This kept happening until someone voiced the opinion that it might be trying to help them come to a decision. At this point, the robin "left its signature" on the kitchen window-sill and finally allowed Anthony to pick it up and put it outside."
"The really strange thing was," said Anthony, "that after all that chasing, it didn´t struggle in my hands.""

And:

More the family told Colin about a robin, page 193:

"On the morning of the first day of the trial, a robin flew into the house of Karen and David Boutflour. They found it in their living room, singing on top of a glass display cabinet which contained a porcelain robin given to them by Ina and Anthony Pargeter - in memory of their shared earlier experiences."

Thanks for stirring my memory. I'd always recalled it as Colin being there. Seems he was only told about it. D'ya think they had him down as an esoteric ejit

[Alias]

Oh you're mocking the Robin again? 
What does that have to do with anything? It obviously wasn't used in court - it didn't form any part of the case it's just something Colin, a man who had his children slaughtered, wrote in HIS book. Of course I don't believe it.

So you think Colin made this up?

P.S. I do feel the contempt and dislike in your posts.