What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?

[lookout]

Let´s say we all became guilters - even Lookout!  Would we still be here discussing the case?

My answer would be a firm NO. Alias,if I thought he'd murdered his family,I certainly WOULDN'T be here now.

[lookout]

they always pick the worst photo.

Of course they do-------------purposely.

[lookout]

Everything photographers and the media do,is for sensationalism---------it sells newspapers.

[susan]

Alias I guess we would still discuss the case even if we all thought Jeremy was guilty. It appears that Adam and Scipio love to discuss posts even from guilty supporters as well as the innocent supporters.

[susan]

Lookout and the newspapers wrap fish and chips

[lookout]

All they're fit for,Susan. Even then,you get print on your hands and if you're unlucky,newspaper stuck to the fish batter.

[susan]

All they're fit for,Susan. Even then,you get print on your hands and if you're unlucky,newspaper stuck to the fish batter.

 

[Jane]

 April, I can assure you that I don't make excuses. I've studied people for years. Certain mannerisms at given events,etc and everyone acts differently dependent on what " class " of people they are.Yes,classes,because there is a marked difference when it comes to how each individual behaves/reacts in the circumstances in which they find themselves in.

Yes, I know about behavioural psychology, Lookout The interesting thing about it is, that whilst people may tell us that they are acting in a certain way, the onlooker, by means of those mannerisms you mention, often experience something quite different. The behaviours learned by different levels of people is generally believed to reflect on how they cope with life circumstances.

[lookout]

Yes, I know about behavioural psychology, Lookout The interesting thing about it is, that whilst people may tell us that they are acting in a certain way, the onlooker, by means of those mannerisms you mention, often experience something quite different. The behaviours learned by different levels of people is generally believed to reflect on how they cope with life circumstances.

As I'd said,it depends on how certain behaviour is perceived,particularly for the uninitiated in peoples behaviour and how they,themselves want to interpret it,as things like that have a habit of falling in with their own take on the matter at any given time.

[lookout]

As I'd said,it depends on how certain behaviour is perceived,particularly for the uninitiated in peoples behaviour and how they,themselves want to interpret it,as things like that have a habit of falling in with their own take on the matter at any given time.

Reporters of the media and such,take any action at face value and without thought as long as they get a picture which is appropriate for that particular story. They,like many people never take into consideration any grief which could be behind a persons facial expression or manner,and the minute a grin/smile appears,there'd be headlines such as " man laughs at funeral ",as an example of how the media whip up a frenzy about a " man who's murdered his family ".The media are cruel and unforgiving and this,like a lot of trials,was media-driven to grab the attention of the masses.

[Jane]

As I'd said,it depends on how certain behaviour is perceived,particularly for the uninitiated in peoples behaviour and how they,themselves want to interpret it,as things like that have a habit of falling in with their own take on the matter at any given time.

Lookout, I really don't spend time in deciding how I WANT to interpret someone's behaviour. It happens, as I imagine, it does for us all, spontaneously. In making a decision about how I WANT to interpret I could end up putting entirely the wrong slant on it and I could miss something vitally important that they needed to share.

[Jan]

That's interesting Jan,but he had enough time to plan the scheme as he furrowed the gravelly soil by day and brooded back at Bourtree Cottage of an evening. I think he must have been in a drug-induced state that he really doesn't recall the incident(unlike David Bain whom you can see below, Of course there are thousands of documents relating to the case which still haven't seen the light of day and it must feel to the Defence barristers as if they are fighting for Jeremy with one hand tied behind their backs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORGyLLFCIsk

Yes but apparently they now have a lot of those documents - hence the next application.

[David1819]

wont it be interesting if this year it is proved a MOJ did take place to see how all of the above comments about his behaviour are explained. Probably down to the press picking and chosing photos.

Btw He completely fooled Colin at the time - it was only in retrospect he saw odd behaviour - and actually admitted his own behaviour at the time was quite manic and strange.

I don't think its possible to prove Jeremy innocent even if he is. The only possibility is proving his conviction is unsafe. Even if he was ever released due to his conviction being unsafe allot of people will still think he done it

[Jan]

This is the most well articulated rebuttal Adam has provided in a very long time and no one has been able to respond to it.

Trying to use Jeremy's resolve to look for a way to vacate his conviction as proof the evidence must be faked makes no sense whatsoever.

Indeed Jeremy took a log by Bonnet that clearly states the caller was PC West and tried to twist that it indicated the caller was his father.  He is trying to twist anything he can to get out of prison.

He knew in advance of the DNA tests that they could not establish any blood was left.  The goal was always to try twisting the results of the DNA testing to try to pretend it somehow supports his position.

Webster admits there was no way the testing could actually reveal whose blood was removed in 1985 and 1986 by Lincoln only DNA testing that blood which had been removed could reveal who such blood belonged to.

When people ignore this and ignore what Adam stated they are just demonstrating their bias and how their bias causes them to do things for irrational reasons.

?? Don't understand ? it has been well established that JB has concentrated on the silencer - but the above only cover the guilty stance?

If he is inncocent  he probably thinks that the silencer was planted /contaminated  - or somehow was used and then put away which is highly unlikely - but if he is innocent of course he is going to try and find out how the only piece of evidence fits into the jigsaw ? It makes perfect sense to me .

[Jan]

I don't think its possible to prove Jeremy innocent even if he is. The only possibility is proving his conviction is unsafe. Even if he was ever released due to his conviction being unsafe allot of people will still think he done it

I totally agree that the worst scenario would be getting out on a technicality - his life of freedom would hardly be worth it.

But the new application could be interesting as it does have to be something "new" .

Hopefully we should find out officially as soon as it is lodged.