What Makes Supporters Believe Jeremy is Innocent?

[susan]

Hello Patti

think you and I could be singing from the same hymn sheet

[lookout]

I rest my case!   

Easy to say that,isn't it ? It's what I call a cop-out,and in your case,a very befitting comment.

[lookout]

Not a hope in hell.  There is no new evidence, just a load more revolving mirrors.  Even Simon Hall and Adrian Prout did the decent thing in the end and admit their guilt, let's hope Jerry will have the guts to do so some day too.

There IS new evidence----------------and more of which again I'm not prepared to say.

[lookout]

There IS new evidence----------------and more of which again I'm not prepared to say.

Simon Hall admitted guilt after,what,10 years ? Adrian Prout after a couple of years. We're talking 30 years with Jeremy,and still counting. It's not unusual for a prisoner to go 40 years and beyond before being found not guilty. Usually the poor sods without alibis !!

[lookout]

Why do you think that JM tried to give Jeremy an alibi in blaming MM ? Because she KNEW that Jeremy was innocent,but for her,there was no turning back.after so much encouragement from EP as her being their only chance of " sealing the deal " as regards a conviction,because they had sweet FA on him ! JM was vulnerable to the tactics of the police and made herself willing because she was a scorned woman.

[Patti]

Hello Patti

think you and I could be singing from the same hymn sheet

Would that be this one Susie....Its my favorite hymn it makes me cry. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT4la3_nTsM

[lookout]

I love the Welsh male voice choirs. Finest singers in the world. That should be our National Anthem,not the droning thing we have in place.Every other nationality has got lovely,lively anthems,bar us.

I like the Welsh,Australian,German and French,oh and Manx one too.
The Australian one is sung by a Welsh choir too. " I still call Australia home ".

[nugnug]

Simon Hall admitted guilt after,what,10 years ? Adrian Prout after a couple of years. We're talking 30 years with Jeremy,and still counting. It's not unusual for a prisoner to go 40 years and beyond before being found not guilty. Usually the poor sods without alibis !!

in a recent case a guy in the usa was relased 37 years later

[ngb1066]

Personally I am not supporting Jeremy, because I don´t know whether he did commit the murders. I would never write to him - I wouldn´t take the chance. I could be writing to a murderer.
All I have is doubts about the case. A lot of other people have doubts too, why else would we be discussing a 30 year old case at all?

That is a very fair and rational position Alias.

[scipio_usmc]

Well if you consider that the silencer was planted you must also consider that there were no blood in the silencer and what the court was told in 1996 was false thus meaning that Jeremy is locked up under falsified evidence.

I was not confused about drawback at all. Holly backed up what she said with links...

Holly's links didn't support her claims. You are too biased to face that fact.

Holly posted a link that merely said moderators have the potential to possibly affect the outcome of drawback.  It didn't discuss how and what those effects could be.  It thus didn't say drawback is not going to occur if a moderator is used.  Holly decided all on her own that moderators would not be able to cause drawback she had no source for the claim.

You are so desperate to pretend you have support for your position that you accept anything no matter how pathetically supported it might be.  ALl that does is demonstrate the extent of your bias nothing more.

[nugnug]

Holly's links didn't support her claims. You are too biased to face that fact.

Holly posted a link that merely said moderators have the potential to possibly affect the outcome of drawback.  It didn't discuss how and what those effects could be.  It thus didn't say drawback is not going to occur if a moderator is used.  Holly decided all on her own that moderators would not be able to cause drawback she had no source for the claim.

You are so desperate to pretend you have support for your position that you accept anything no matter how pathetically supported it might be.  ALl that does is demonstrate the extent of your bias nothing more.

im not exactly pals with holly but if you going to call her out on somthing shouldent you do it on the red forum where she can reply. shes not a member here.

[scipio_usmc]

If Jeremy did not use the silencer, then he knows Sheila's blood was somehow expertly planted.

If he did use the silencer, he knows it's Sheila's blood.

Either way, the blood and testing method tests carried out years later will not give him any joy.

So why do it ?

This is the most well articulated rebuttal Adam has provided in a very long time and no one has been able to respond to it.

Trying to use Jeremy's resolve to look for a way to vacate his conviction as proof the evidence must be faked makes no sense whatsoever.

Indeed Jeremy took a log by Bonnet that clearly states the caller was PC West and tried to twist that it indicated the caller was his father.  He is trying to twist anything he can to get out of prison.

He knew in advance of the DNA tests that they could not establish any blood was left.  The goal was always to try twisting the results of the DNA testing to try to pretend it somehow supports his position.

Webster admits there was no way the testing could actually reveal whose blood was removed in 1985 and 1986 by Lincoln only DNA testing that blood which had been removed could reveal who such blood belonged to.

When people ignore this and ignore what Adam stated they are just demonstrating their bias and how their bias causes them to do things for irrational reasons.

[susan]

Patti I just love that reminds me of my school days as it was our school song and always sung at the end of term those were the days happy memories

[lookout]

We sang that at school too Susan. Maybe it was thought as more patriotic than our present anthem,which I don't really remember singing much,if at all at school. Perhaps in 1953 when the Queen was crowned.

[scipio_usmc]

im not exactly pals with holly but if you going to call her out on somthing shouldent you do it on the red forum where she can reply. shes not a member here.

Patti took information from a debate I had with Holly on red.  It is not my fault that Patti decided to take such information and advance it here.  Since she decided to do so and is advancing it I have the right to confront Patti with the evidence it is wrong.

Patti is falsely claiming Holly presented proof that the moderator would not be able to get drawback inside.  Holly made up that conclusion she had no source that stated it.  She found a source that said moderators can impact the issue without explaining what that impact would be.  Holly misrepresents this source as stating drawback would not be possible.

She also misrepresents that the only thing that causes drawback are the gases that come out of a gun, then made up on her own that the reduction in gas pressure caused by a moderator is so great that the gas that comes out will not be able to cause drawback.  She presented no source for the claim that drawback can't occur she made it up herself.

I already refuted this babble on red before Patti adopted it here.