Russia - worrying?

[gringo]

I'm surprised he hasn't called you a commutard.

    Forgot that one. He'll probably weave it into some comment involving lack of flushing toilets.

[gringo]

    Below a comment from https://www.moonofalabama.org/ by "pacifica advocate . A succinct summation of where we are and what the world faces. Couldn't have put it better and fully concur;

M.K. Bhadrakumar made a point in one of his recent pieces that it has become clear, now, that Russia's SMO is a fight to stop WWIII before it happens.

I fully sympathize with your feelings about war, but while I tend towards pacifism in most things, I do believe there is such a thing as a "just war" that must be fought, or justice shall be denied.

The US Imperium has been responsible for all major conflicts around the planet for the last 45 years or so, going back to when it provoked the Soviet peacekeeping mission in Afghanistan (and then followed that up by supporting the Mujahideed in toppling the Afghan government). There may have been a few local conflicts which the US wasn't directly involved in either instigating or actively promoting, but I can't really think of any.

Putting an end to the US financial empire and its wanton use of force in subjugating foreign peoples and forcing them to accept neo-colonial servitude in the name of a "rules-based order" that is arbitrarily enforced (but always to the profit of Wall St. and The Pentagon/MIC) simply requires a violent response to the constant aggression and violence unleashed by the US elites. There is no other way to stop it, so I fundamentally disagree with you about "stopping this war" by any means possible.

I want it stopped when the US and NATO are entirely discredited on the international stage as the Global South sees the once-feared hegemon begging for terms from a victorious Russia. The war simply must continue until then, and not stop one moment before that point. Otherwise, the costs in human terms will simply be far greater than you or I can imagine, right now, should Russia stop its war before achieving its objectives.

The alternative--all those dead men, but with the US Imperium remaining in place, still running amok the world over causing pain and strife in pursuit of profits for its political and financial elites--that will be something we regret for generations more, and the costs in "blood and treasure" will have all been for naught. That would be an even greater horror than the one we see unfolding before us, now.

[gringo]

    M K Bhadrakumar website, "Indian Punchline" linked below. The article in question being referred to in the above comment.
https://www.indianpunchline.com/author/inpunchline/

[David1819]

I'm surprised he hasn't called you a commutard.

It was recently brought to my attention, a communist on twitter who was collecting funko pop models. He asked his fellow comrades if funko pop models would still be produced post revolution and if not, should he stock up on his collection. Anticipating a revolution was round the corner

That is what I would call a Commutard". Gringo does not fall into that category at all.

Contrary to Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin believed that the masses of the proletariat were not capable of leading and establishing a revolution alone. And thus there needed to be "professional revolutionaries" in place to guide and co-ordinate them. I think NGB and Gringo fall into the latter category.

If NGB still believes in the cause, I really do recommend he goes on twitter and other social media. There are many millennial commies my age and younger on twitter etc who are getting nowhere fast (In the same sense that Lenin described). They would lap up NGB rather quickly and he would have a platform and following he could only have dreamt of decades ago. 

[gringo]

    Supporting aggression towards Russia is becoming increasingly escalatory and dangerous. It is as if they are begging for a Russian attack in response. The article below raises worrying possible implications. The UK public are being used as pawns in dangerous escalations on matters that would not have public support.


https://consortiumnews.com/2023/04/03/significant-portion-of-uk-lethal-aid-for-ukraine-secret/

    From the article above;

Other U.K. supplies include military systems with the potential to reach into Russia from bases in Ukraine.

This includes three M270 long-range multiple launch rocket systems, which have a range of up to 186 miles, putting Russian cities within range.

In April 2022, U.K. Defence Minister James Heappey backed Ukraine carrying out strikes inside Russia using weapons provided by Britain.

Heappey said it was “completely legitimate for Ukraine to be targeting in Russia’s depth in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Ukrainian soil.”

     Following UK Defence Minister Heappey's logic and reasoning-it would surely also be "completely legitimate" for Russia to strike into UK's depth "in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Russian soil".
    The UK has no legitimate business in Ukraine. It does nothing to serve the UK people, or for that matter, the Ukrainians. It ensures more death-and if UK carries out the supplying of weapons to target Russia's interior, then Russia would be justified in returning the favour.
     We are led by donkeys.
     
     

     

[ngb1066]

It was recently brought to my attention, a communist on twitter who was collecting funko pop models. He asked his fellow comrades if funko pop models would still be produced post revolution and if not, should he stock up on his collection. Anticipating a revolution was round the corner

That is what I would call a Commutard". Gringo does not fall into that category at all.

Contrary to Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin believed that the masses of the proletariat were not capable of leading and establishing a revolution alone. And thus there needed to be "professional revolutionaries" in place to guide and co-ordinate them. I think NGB and Gringo fall into the latter category.

If NGB still believes in the cause, I really do recommend he goes on twitter and other social media. There are many millennial commies my age and younger on twitter etc who are getting nowhere fast (In the same sense that Lenin described). They would lap up NGB rather quickly and he would have a platform and following he could only have dreamt of decades ago. 

You really do not have a clue about communists or about me.  I do follow some social media so I know generally what is around, but I do not participate in social media and do not rely on it for information or guidance.  I do still believe in "the cause" but that is not what you identify, which is a caricature of what those who oppose US/NATO hegemony believe.  I became active politically long before you were born and I have not changed my views.  I have recently become actively involved again after a long gap, mainly as a result of horror at the way the world is progressing.  I think we are in greater danger now than we have been since the worst days of the cold war. 

 

[ngb1066]

    Supporting aggression towards Russia is becoming increasingly escalatory and dangerous. It is as if they are begging for a Russian attack in response. The article below raises worrying possible implications. The UK public are being used as pawns in dangerous escalations on matters that would not have public support.


https://consortiumnews.com/2023/04/03/significant-portion-of-uk-lethal-aid-for-ukraine-secret/

    From the article above;

Other U.K. supplies include military systems with the potential to reach into Russia from bases in Ukraine.

This includes three M270 long-range multiple launch rocket systems, which have a range of up to 186 miles, putting Russian cities within range.

In April 2022, U.K. Defence Minister James Heappey backed Ukraine carrying out strikes inside Russia using weapons provided by Britain.

Heappey said it was “completely legitimate for Ukraine to be targeting in Russia’s depth in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Ukrainian soil.”

     Following UK Defence Minister Heappey's logic and reasoning-it would surely also be "completely legitimate" for Russia to strike into UK's depth "in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Russian soil".
    The UK has no legitimate business in Ukraine. It does nothing to serve the UK people, or for that matter, the Ukrainians. It ensures more death-and if UK carries out the supplying of weapons to target Russia's interior, then Russia would be justified in returning the favour.
     We are led by donkeys.
     
     

   

I totally agree, and we are in great danger as a result.

[ngb1066]

    "Tankie" is a term used by flag shagging right wing morons as an attempted insult to anyone vaguely left wing. It just means the person using the term has a childish mentality and thinks childish playground name calling is a substitute for debate/discussion. David has nothing to say so just trolls the thread with insults.

The term tankie has been used in English-language social media to describe communists, particularly those from the Western world, who uphold the legacies of communist leaders, such as Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

     David just throws terms around like, Tankie, conspiritard to anyone he disagrees with but is incapable of challenging. The thread is full of David's witless contributions of the same insults and idiotic gifs repeatedly whilst waving his dumb flag as if it is a football match. All of David's contributions mean nothing.

You are correct in your description of the current use of the slur "Tankie" by idiots.  In fact although it is now a term of abuse used by right wing propagandists, its origins go back to the disputes within the CPGB in the late 1960s.  Following the Warsaw Pact intervention in Czechoslovakia in 1968 there were deep divisions within the CPGB.  The party leadership were very critical of the Soviet/Warsaw Pact action and this was endorsed at the congress of the party.  However a significant minority of the CP supported the intervention and objected to the position taken.  It led to internal conflict, with the term "Tankie" adopted as an insult by some who followed the majority position (referring to the tanks which rolled into Prague), and "Euro" used as a counter-insult by those who supported the intervention and opposed the growing "Eurocommunist" trend within the CPGB.

   

[gringo]

You are correct in your description of the current use of the slur "Tankie" by idiots.  In fact although it is now a term of abuse used by right wing propagandists, its origins go back to the disputes within the CPGB in the late 1960s.  Following the Warsaw Pact intervention in Czechoslovakia in 1968 there were deep divisions within the CPGB.  The party leadership were very critical of the Soviet/Warsaw Pact action and this was endorsed at the congress of the party.  However a significant minority of the CP supported the intervention and objected to the position taken.  It led to internal conflict, with the term "Tankie" adopted as an insult by some who followed the majority position (referring to the tanks which rolled into Prague), and "Euro" used as a counter-insult by those who supported the intervention and opposed the growing "Eurocommunist" trend within the CPGB.

   

    Got to say that "Euro" as a counter-insult sounds weak. The "Tankies" lacked imagination in their counter insults. Thanks for the little bit of history, always good to know background.

[David1819]

You really do not have a clue about communists

What makes you say that? I have read a lot of the works of Kim il Sung and Vladimir Lenin. I have also read a lot about Saloth Sar AKA Pol Pot.

What I do not understand is why many on the far left today support Vladmir Putin and his government. This is a man who while wearing a £10,000 Lorio Piani jacket over a £2,400 Italian Kilton roll neck jumper quotes from the Gospel of John 15:13 to justify a war.

Dressed head to toe in bourgeois apparel while invoking the opium of the people during a war rally. 

There is nothing left-wing about Putin's Russia the opposite is the case.  Matthew Heimbach American white supremacist leader and Nick Griffin the former BNP leader are all supporting the Russian war.

The stuff Nick Griffin is saying about Russia and NATO, you'd think he is reading it directly from Gringos posts on here 

https://www.purged.tv/l/2757219355/Templar-Report-Live---March-22-2022

[gringo]

What makes you say that? I have read a lot of the works of Kim il Sung and Vladimir Lenin. I have also read a lot about Saloth Sar AKA Pol Pot.

What I do not understand is why many on the far left today support Vladmir Putin and his government. This is a man who while wearing a £10,000 Lorio Piani jacket over a £2,400 Italian Kilton roll neck jumper quotes from the Gospel of John 15:13 to justify a war.

Dressed head to toe in bourgeois apparel while invoking the opium of the people during a war rally. 

There is nothing left-wing about Putin's Russia the opposite is the case.  Matthew Heimbach American white supremacist leader and Nick Griffin the former BNP leader are all supporting the Russian war.

The stuff Nick Griffin is saying about Russia and NATO, you'd think he is reading it directly from Gringos posts on here 

https://www.purged.tv/l/2757219355/Templar-Report-Live---March-22-2022

    Anti-Imperialism is not a left/right issue. It is a right/wrong issue.

[gringo]

What makes you say that? I have read a lot of the works of Kim il Sung and Vladimir Lenin. I have also read a lot about Saloth Sar AKA Pol Pot.

What I do not understand is why many on the far left today support Vladmir Putin and his government. This is a man who while wearing a £10,000 Lorio Piani jacket over a £2,400 Italian Kilton roll neck jumper quotes from the Gospel of John 15:13 to justify a war.

Dressed head to toe in bourgeois apparel while invoking the opium of the people during a war rally. 

There is nothing left-wing about Putin's Russia the opposite is the case.  Matthew Heimbach American white supremacist leader and Nick Griffin the former BNP leader are all supporting the Russian war.

The stuff Nick Griffin is saying about Russia and NATO, you'd think he is reading it directly from Gringos posts on here 

https://www.purged.tv/l/2757219355/Templar-Report-Live---March-22-2022

    You understand nothing. Wars aren't supported or not based on the domestic politics of the participants. What you don't understand is that geopolitics is outside domestic politics and an entirely separate issue.

[David1819]

Students in a Japanese town planted a sunflower field, then made sunflower oil, sold it, and donated the proceeds to Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1274fy7/students_in_a_japanese_town_planted_a_sunflower/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz6uks2rNio

They raised 100,000 yen 

[gringo]

   Jimmy Dore  talking about US "charm offensive" in Africa-funny   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-617EzlNYTI&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow

[David1819]

   Jimmy Dore  talking about US "charm offensive" in Africa-funny   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-617EzlNYTI&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow

I guess you believe HIV is an American conspiracy also.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/28/1159415936/george-w-bushs-anti-hiv-program-is-hailed-as-amazing-and-still-crucial-at-20

$90 billion donated to date and 20 million African lives saved.

So, what conspiratorial shenanigans was Bush up to in Tankie fantasy world when he started PEPFAR in Africa?  What has Putler done to tackle the HIV problem?