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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2505 on: February 15, 2023, 07:57:PM »
    The forced conscription in Ukraine being filmed by civilians and posted all over social media. All to be sent as fodder with a life expectancy of hours. Ukraine/NATO is losing and in fact lost this war long ago. The continued pouring of forced conscripts into this lost cause is a crime against humanity. The tipping point is very near. There are too many of these videos to count. NATO/Ukraine are desperate and literally kidnapping men off the street, at work, at train stations.
    The huge Ukrainian losses are very real.


https://twitter.com/defnotfsb/status/1625877490236379136

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1623333827618693120

https://twitter.com/JohnEdgarCarter/status/1625902277260193809

https://twitter.com/Quotment/status/1625809478279999488

https://twitter.com/DoctorGerhard/status/1624283151865372674
"A pattern of deliberate attacks on civilians.." https://youtu.be/5vwlx68_IFM

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« Reply #2506 on: February 15, 2023, 11:17:PM »
     Jens Stoltenberg today;

“It is clear that we are in a race of logistics,” he said. “The war in Ukraine is consuming an enormous amount of munitions and depleting allied stockpiles.”

Mr. Stoltenberg said Ukrainian troops are expending ammo at “many times higher” than the current rate of production for NATO members. The situation is putting pressure on allied defense industries.

He said the waiting time for large caliber ammunition — such as shells for the 155mm howitzers sent by the U.S. — has increased from 12 to 28 months, on average.

“Orders placed today would only be delivered 2½ years later. So we need to ramp up production and invest in our production capacity,” Mr. Stoltenberg told reporters at NATO headquarters.


    In red above, tells the tale of the real state of affairs on the battlefield. It is not disputed that the rate of artillery fire heavily favours the Russians by something between 8 and 10 to 1. Stoltenberg admits that even that current rate of fire is more than can be produced by the entirety of NATO. Their stockpiles are massively depleted and they cannot even keep up a rate which is 1/10th of russia's current firing rate. Western intelligence, parroted by the usual suspects on here, have been telling us for months that Russia are running out of everything from ammo to tanks to missiles.
     The promised imminent Russia about to run out of stuff never happened and here we are. NATO cannot even sustain 10% of Russian ammo production and are running out of tanks, ammo, men.
     Seems as if Russia's go slow grinding has some strategic value after all. It is bleeding NATO dry-a complete reversal of NATO plans. This is not surprising. Just as the "sanctions from hell" have backfired spectacularly on the sanctioners, the sanctioned(Russia) are doing just fine.
     NATO planners versus Russian General Staff is like David vs ngb at chess.

   

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« Reply #2507 on: February 15, 2023, 11:30:PM »

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« Reply #2508 on: February 16, 2023, 03:52:AM »
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1625585040829603841

    What a clown show. Talking about the ammunition crisis faced by NATO in Ukraine. Simple version- NATO are not prepared or equipped to take on Russia and are fucked. Russia didn't fight the way NATO planned for and NATO had no plan b. 20th century war instead of 21st century war? It would be hilarious if it wasn't real.
    Plan A, rather than some comprehensively gamed strategy, was something between hope and wishful thinking. You are now slowly being prepared for the inevitable(all along)defeat of NATO and its proxy.

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« Reply #2509 on: February 16, 2023, 09:17:AM »
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1625585040829603841

    What a clown show. Talking about the ammunition crisis faced by NATO in Ukraine. Simple version- NATO are not prepared or equipped to take on Russia and are fucked. Russia didn't fight the way NATO planned for and NATO had no plan b. 20th century war instead of 21st century war? It would be hilarious if it wasn't real.
    Plan A, rather than some comprehensively gamed strategy, was something between hope and wishful thinking. You are now slowly being prepared for the inevitable(all along)defeat of NATO and its proxy.

You are living in a complete fantasy world.

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« Reply #2510 on: February 16, 2023, 09:17:AM »
EU to ban sales of toilets to Russia on war anniversary - New sanctions meant to degrade Russia's war machine include symbolic items.


https://euobserver.com/world/156725

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« Reply #2511 on: February 16, 2023, 09:36:PM »
You are living in a complete fantasy world.
   Did you watch the 4 minute interview?

    "why has this shortfall come about? Well the West hadn't anticipated that there would be a war of this scale, this duration, of this ferocity to happen in Europe anytime soon and all of the defence planning assumptions were based on much smaller conflicts- much smaller in size, scale and ferocity and therefore war stocks that should have lasted for years are only lasting weeks and in some cases days."

     No plan B. Hadn't anticipated- planning assumptions. This is a retired UK Air Vice Admiral. Anyway on it goes,

    "Russia's mode of operation here-it's 20th century warfare, they have years worth of artillery rounds"

    Pretty pathetic stuff. An extended cry about how Russia didn't play the way we had planned-Western 21st century precision warfare blah blah. Bottom line NATO cannot sustain a war against Russia.
     Russia flipped the script on NATO and dragged them into a war of attrition that has only one winner. All the crying from NATO about how Russia couldn't take this or that town, are running out of missiles, artillery, men, tanks. Russia are not trying to conquer territory. They have no need to conquer territory. Demilitarisation is working just fine, as even NATO now grudgingly admit. They are not having threatening states on their border.
     The running out of everything constant idiocy from western MSM looks dumb now doesn't it? Utter projection. They are probably lying about everything else too, don't ya think? NATO/Ukraine are running out of everything and now can sustain no longer. Russia still have years worth.
     NATO wanted Russia to shock and awe Ukraine, occupy it and then a NATO trained insurgency would gradually bleed Russia dry(It is the only way NATO know). Russia have learnt the lesson of occupying hostile territory and want or need no part of it. Russia has everything it needs, and more, in terms of land and resources. The oblasts will all choose their own future and side with who they wish. No NATO presence will be allowed in any of them regardless of their choice.
   
     

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« Reply #2512 on: February 17, 2023, 12:57:AM »
Top Russian Military Official Marina Yankina Dead After Fall From 16th Floor | Marina Yankina handled cash flows for the Western Military District.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/top-russian-military-official-marina-yankina-dead-after-fall-from-16th-floor

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« Reply #2513 on: February 17, 2023, 12:49:PM »
another anti war rally https://youtu.be/uvAGQvg1KCs

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« Reply #2514 on: February 17, 2023, 02:56:PM »
   Did you watch the 4 minute interview?

    "why has this shortfall come about? Well the West hadn't anticipated that there would be a war of this scale, this duration, of this ferocity to happen in Europe anytime soon and all of the defence planning assumptions were based on much smaller conflicts- much smaller in size, scale and ferocity and therefore war stocks that should have lasted for years are only lasting weeks and in some cases days."

     No plan B. Hadn't anticipated- planning assumptions. This is a retired UK Air Vice Admiral. Anyway on it goes,

    "Russia's mode of operation here-it's 20th century warfare, they have years worth of artillery rounds"

    Pretty pathetic stuff. An extended cry about how Russia didn't play the way we had planned-Western 21st century precision warfare blah blah. Bottom line NATO cannot sustain a war against Russia.
     Russia flipped the script on NATO and dragged them into a war of attrition that has only one winner. All the crying from NATO about how Russia couldn't take this or that town, are running out of missiles, artillery, men, tanks. Russia are not trying to conquer territory. They have no need to conquer territory. Demilitarisation is working just fine, as even NATO now grudgingly admit. They are not having threatening states on their border.
     The running out of everything constant idiocy from western MSM looks dumb now doesn't it? Utter projection. They are probably lying about everything else too, don't ya think? NATO/Ukraine are running out of everything and now can sustain no longer. Russia still have years worth.
     NATO wanted Russia to shock and awe Ukraine, occupy it and then a NATO trained insurgency would gradually bleed Russia dry(It is the only way NATO know). Russia have learnt the lesson of occupying hostile territory and want or need no part of it. Russia has everything it needs, and more, in terms of land and resources. The oblasts will all choose their own future and side with who they wish. No NATO presence will be allowed in any of them regardless of their choice.
   
   

Most of Ukraine's military hardware is still of Russian/Soviet origin. NATO 120×570mm tank ammunition or 5.56×45mm NATO rounds or NATO artillery is not compatible. Most of their supplies during the last 12 months are from former eastern block legacy stock mainly from Poland. So no shit their is a shortage in supplies.

Moreover NATO is not a war with Russia. If it was the USAF would destroy the Russian army in Ukraine faster than they can steal the nearest toilet.

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« Reply #2515 on: February 17, 2023, 05:24:PM »
Most of Ukraine's military hardware is still of Russian/Soviet origin. NATO 120×570mm tank ammunition or 5.56×45mm NATO rounds or NATO artillery is not compatible. Most of their supplies during the last 12 months are from former eastern block legacy stock mainly from Poland. So no shit their is a shortage in supplies.

Moreover NATO is not a war with Russia. If it was the USAF would destroy the Russian army in Ukraine faster than they can steal the nearest toilet.
    But you've been telling us that Russia are running out of all these things for months. Haven't you figured it out yet that you are being gas-lit?
     NATO is most certainly, pretty openly, at war with Russia. The notion that the USAF would even be a factor is laughable. You understand nothing. Where are their planes taking off and landing from? How are they getting there? Remembering that precision stand off weaponry means that the USAF wouldn't be able to use their, now obsolete, Aircraft carriers and all airfields would be obliterated in any openly declared war with Russia. If those problems could be overcome(they can't), the USAF would then have the problem of the multi layered Russian air defences and it's stand off capability. Beyond the gas-lighting that you are fed-NATO understand this.
     It is precisely those realities that make the NATO escalations dangerous. They cannot win without going nuclear-where nobody will win. Russia cannot be beaten in a European war and the USAF has no prospect of being a factor in such a hostile airspace. It isn't Top Gun, David.
     Russian air defences are recognised as the best in the world and decades ahead of US/NATO. There is zero chance of NATO tangling with Russian air defence.

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« Reply #2516 on: February 17, 2023, 06:30:PM »
EU bans the export of toilets to Russia - where one in five households have no indoor plumbing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11761377/EU-bans-export-toilets-Russia-bid-punish-Putin-Ukraine-invasion.html

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« Reply #2517 on: February 17, 2023, 07:17:PM »
EU bans the export of toilets to Russia - where one in five households have no indoor plumbing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11761377/EU-bans-export-toilets-Russia-bid-punish-Putin-Ukraine-invasion.html
    The Russian General staff and the Kremlin surely have no answer to the strategic geniuses at the EU. Maybe the EU are just feeling out a deal for some munitions that they lack. Or maybe they are desperate, have no answers and are just flinging anything about now.
   

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« Reply #2518 on: February 18, 2023, 02:39:AM »
They really need to sort out some safety measures for their window situation  :-\

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/marina-yankina-russian-defence-official-174638767.html

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« Reply #2519 on: February 18, 2023, 07:16:AM »
They really need to sort out some safety measures for their window situation  :-\

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/marina-yankina-russian-defence-official-174638767.html

Yeah, I know Gringo has expressed his views on these type of stories but there does seem to be a few balcony / window deaths.