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« Reply #2445 on: February 04, 2023, 09:09:PM »

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« Reply #2446 on: February 04, 2023, 09:37:PM »
   Maria Zakhorova of the Russian MFA(Ministry of Foreign Affairs) today:

Question: Please comment on the EU-Ukraine summit held in Kyiv on February 3 and the joint statement adopted on its results.
Maria Zakharova: The February 3 event in Kiev once again confirmed that in order to weaken Russia and serve the hegemonic aspirations of the United States and NATO, the European Union continues to recklessly support the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev. Promising him a euro perspective in violation of its own standard requirements for European candidates and declaring the "common values" of the EU with it, it is in solidarity with the total suppression of dissent, the violation of freedom of speech and expression, and the gross violation of linguistic and religious rights in Ukraine. At the same time, he cynically "confirms" in a joint statement at the end of the summit "commitment to full respect for the rights of persons belonging to minorities." This completely negates the principles on which the EU was once built.

Equally hypocritical are the EU's calls for peace when they declare their readiness to invest in the continuation of hostilities "for as long as necessary." 12 billion euros have already been allocated at the expense of European taxpayers. Increasing funding for the conflict, new supplies of weapons and equipment, increasing training camps, expanding training programs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - all this leads to an increase in the number of victims of the conflict, including among the civilian population.

Attempts in these conditions to launch the process of creating any quasi-structures to bring to justice for what is happening in Ukraine are absurd and immoral. As they say, who are the judges? Those who cheated with the Minsk agreements, covered up the war crimes of the Kiev regime against civilians in the Donbas since 2014, pumped Ukrainian criminals with weapons and money, who are trying to misappropriate Russia's state assets and the funds of our citizens?

It is once again confirmed that the leadership of the European Union and its member states has invested all political, financial and military resources in order to deploy a front in Ukraine against the formation of a multipolar world order, which Russia and the majority of the world community firmly support.

But Western efforts are in vain. As the Russian leadership has repeatedly stated, the goals and objectives of the special military operation of the Russian Armed Forces in Ukraine will be fully achieved. All participants of the Kiev gathering on February 3 of this year are waiting for a cruel disappointment. They will have to answer, among other things, to their own population, at the expense of whose funds the bloody geopolitical game "to the last Ukrainian" started by the West is financed.

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Re: Russia - worrying?
« Reply #2447 on: February 05, 2023, 01:20:AM »
    It is noticeable that recently, more and more Foreign ministers and Diplomats are openly speaking about the replacement of the petrodollar as world reserve currency. US/NATO are no longer feared by anyone and this is obvious from the co-ordinated messages of an increasingly confident coalition forming around BRICS countries and applicants. Sergey Ryabkov Russian Deputy Foreign Minister earlier today;

Washington shouldn't expect the world to forget that it fabricated its justification for the 2003 Iraq invasion, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov told RIA Novosti on Saturday.
The Russian diplomat made the remark on the eve of the 20th anniversary of the now-infamous speech by then-US Secretary of State Colin Powell at the United Nations Security Council, during which he presented alleged evidence of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, including biological ones....

Powell’s UN stunt “has long become the epitome of hypocrisy and the conviction of the US ruling elite in its own impunity and its unchallenged right to arrogantly teach the rest of the world,” Ryabkov stated. He added that it was also emblematic of Washington’s willingness to “use force against an obviously weaker opponent in order to preserve its own global hegemony.”

However, the diplomat suggested that – unlike in the 2000s and during the 1999 NATO bombing campaign of Yugoslavia – Washington could not get away with “international banditry” under current conditions.

“In the rapidly changing geopolitical landscape, the US is now objectively unable to resort to a use-of-force scenario every time it feels like it, without facing serious consequences,” he noted, pointing to the “humiliating flight” of US troops from Afghanistan in 2021.

However, as Washington’s “meddling” in the Ukraine conflict has shown, this setback has not stopped the US from embracing its old ways, the diplomat continued.

“The Americans will have to adjust to the new rails and get rid of the impunity syndrome that so clearly manifested itself during the [anthrax] vial scandal. The same applies to taking into account Russia and China, as well as other major international players that are shaping a more just multilateral world order,” Ryabkov said.

The US should not cherish any hope that “the memories of what happened 20 years ago would be buried in the shifting sands of modern history,” he concluded.


    The trajectory of history is being written in the Global East and Global South, increasingly confidently.

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« Reply #2448 on: February 05, 2023, 03:17:AM »
  The idea of Putin being some all controlling dictator ordering murders of his alleged rivals is too idiotic for words. It is a sad reflection of our media that it has become so infantilised. It doesn't even need debunking because there is nothing to debunk.
    Somebody is killed in Russia.
    Western media immediately link it in the most tenuous way with Putin.
    The articles themselves make no accusations, realising there is nothing but innuendo to link it to Putin. Indoctrinated readers fail to see that no evidence is offered or accusation even made. Just lots of innuendo and the reader has to make the accusation themselves-they just don't realise it.
   
     Nemtsov, the idiotic Navalny saga.
     Do yourself a favour, Roch. Search for yourself the election results from Russia over the last couple of decades that this Putin obsession of the Western media has gone on.
     None of the people called "The Opposition leader" are anything of the sort. This massive lie should alert you to the notion that everything that follows is probably bollocks.
     Take a look yourself and search for the results;
     United Russia (Putin's party) usually garner around 50% give or take.
     The Communist Party garner around 25-30%
     A number of smaller parties usually get anything between 1 and 5%
     Navalny, Nemtsov and any other fringe figure touted in Western media as "opposition leader" is a false premise that is easily dismissed straight away by any discerning reader. If any foreign media described Tommy Robinson or Nick Griffin as "UK opposition leader", you would probably stop reading on the grounds of them being so poorly informed/straight up liars. Check their facts. Don't swallow everything they say whole without even a cursory check on the facts they use as their premise. Both of these figures were not rivals or a threat to Putin in any sense. The Communist Party leader is unarguably the opposition in Russia. That is a bit uncomfortable for Western media and leaders so they pretend that irrelevant fringe figures are "Putin's rival".
    If Putin is "bumping off" opposition leaders then he is being remarkably lax because the prominent politicians and leaders of his main opposition(the Communists) have been left unharmed.
    Western media outlets and politicians never refer to the Communist Party in Russia at all, never mind as "the opposition" to United Russia. If they either don't know or just ignore this fact-everything else they say after that is uninformed propaganda. This is not really arguable. Hold your sources of "information" to some standards.
   
    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus-one lie, all lies
    You should be "marking" their work at all times not swallowing the dubious and un-evidenced claims whole. The whole edifice of lies is crashing around them now. The disinformation about Ukraine in Western media is off the scale and bears no resemblance to real events. Informed, knowledgable and sane experts will never be interviewed in western media.
    None the less-cold hard reality is smashing into western propaganda. Truth is emerging, slowly at first-then a deluge is coming. NATO and the EU will be lucky to see 2023 out in one piece. The rest of the world will get on with creating a new multi-polar world, new means of trade bypassing the dollar- all ongoing. Putin will not be overthrown, die of cancer, BRICS+ will continue to expand. Western abuse of reserve status of the dollar-weaponising of SWIFT, illegal sanctions(abusing reserve status), theft of foreign reserves-it's all over.
    NATO the ultimate enforcer of the above system is, despite western propaganda to the contrary, currently getting it's arse handed to it by Russia. It doesn't matter whether you believe this or not. The rest of the world (Africa, Asia, South America) believe it. They are turning to Russia and China because they have seen Russia demonstrate the weakness of NATO-who are powerless to turn the tide. Nobody gives a f#+k about western public opinion anymore. The West is no longer the "shining city on the hill" for the rest of the world.
   The collapse of the current NATO enforced western financial system is going to shock western populations when cold hard reality hits. Outsourcing our manufacturing decades ago is about to bite us on the arse.
   
 
But you don't understand how quasi-dictatorships work. There's no documentary evidence that Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.

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« Reply #2449 on: February 05, 2023, 03:32:AM »
But you don't understand how quasi-dictatorships work. There's no documentary evidence that Adolf Hitler was responsible for the Holocaust.
   You, demonstrably, lack understanding or even awareness of how indoctrination works. You require zero evidence to find Putin, Assad or whoever else guilty no matter how absurd the charges. Why is that, do you think?

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« Reply #2450 on: February 05, 2023, 03:48:AM »
   You, demonstrably, lack understanding or even awareness of how indoctrination works. You require zero evidence to find Putin, Assad or whoever else guilty no matter how absurd the charges. Why is that, do you think?
It's a nod here, a wink there, make your boss-look-good syndrome or in the case of the oligarchs execute murder with no paper trail.

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« Reply #2451 on: February 05, 2023, 12:37:PM »
It's a nod here, a wink there, make your boss-look-good syndrome or in the case of the oligarchs execute murder with no paper trail.
   It's a bit of innuendo here, a bit of propaganda there, no evidence there. You demonstrate with every post the points I made earlier.

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« Reply #2452 on: February 05, 2023, 05:31:PM »
   You, demonstrably, lack understanding or even awareness of how indoctrination works. You require zero evidence to find Putin, Assad or whoever else guilty no matter how absurd the charges. Why is that, do you think?
I've told you that such dictators always get their willing lackeys to do the dirty work.

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« Reply #2453 on: February 05, 2023, 08:37:PM »
Nearly 200,000 Russian troops have been killed or injured in Ukraine, US officials say

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-russia-death-toll-b2274969.html
   The numbers of Russian casualties and losses have been so wildly exaggerated in Western media and governments that to anyone reading critically (ie. thinking whilst reading) they fall apart on contact with air never mind basic reasoning.
     It appears that some are starting to distance themselves from some of the wilder claims. In more informed and sane discussion and conversations regarding Russian and Ukraine losses-there has been a recognition of the true scale of losses on both sides. The fact that Ukraine started the war with with thousands of tanks, armoured vehicles, planes, Air Defence systems etc. etc., then emptied the stocks of all former Soviet Bloc countries of their tanks, armoured vehicles, planes... and now are begging for all of the above should already be alerting any discerning reader. (If they're winning then how come?...) Where has it all gone? How come Russia don't seem short despite us being told that they are running out of missiles, tanks whatever every other week.
     Russia, despite assurances from Western governments and media, aren't running out of anything anytime soon.
     All estimates, among unbiased and informed insiders, has recognised that Ukrainian losses are somewhere in the vicinity of 8 or 10 to 1 compared to Russian losses. This makes sense when one looks at the wider picture. Russian artillery along the whole line outnumbers Ukrainian by a factor of between 6 and 8 to 1. This is not an opinion-all recognise this. Russia have always been prepared to cede ground for men. Fighting defensive wars constantly with such strategic depth helps to understand a little more of Russian military doctrine. As a consequence places such as Soledar and Bakhmut, for the two most recent, have literally been meat grinders with horrendous Ukrainian losses. It suits Russia for Ukraine/NATO to pour ever more men into their meat grinder in their increasingly desperate attempt to retain territory.
     So, as I say, with the shit about to hit the fan, we begin to see the first shoots of truth from western sources. Jockeying to distance themselves from the biggest foreign policy disaster in NATO history and that is likely to bring about its demise.
    This is long enough already, so I will post the "leaked" field data as of January 14th 2023 according to MOSSAD (Israeli intelligence)
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« Reply #2454 on: February 05, 2023, 08:39:PM »
     The promised "leaked" MOSSAD field report;

Claim: Ukrainian and Russian casualties according to MOSSAD
Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:

RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and the increasing number of Wagner mercenaries:
23 Planes
56 helicopter
200 (S)UAV
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive

UKRAINE:
The casualties of Ukraine, which was in the field with 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reservists) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries, are as follows:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopter
2.750 (S)UAV
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive

234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries

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« Reply #2455 on: February 05, 2023, 10:36:PM »
    NATO Ukraine are in complete panic mode. Their plans and the Western military and financial structure falling apart.

"Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: According to information confirmed by several sources, Kiev intends to carry out a large-scale provocation to accuse Russia of allegedly committing "war crimes."
According to reports, Kiev plans to carry out a controlled bombing of the buildings of several medical institutions in Kramatorsk in order to accuse the Russian Federation of an allegedly deliberate strike on civilian objects. It is known that, accompanied by SBU officers, foreign journalists have already arrived in Kramatorsk to cover the planned provocation."

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« Reply #2457 on: February 06, 2023, 04:29:AM »
     The promised "leaked" MOSSAD field report;

Claim: Ukrainian and Russian casualties according to MOSSAD
Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:

RUSSIA:
Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and the increasing number of Wagner mercenaries:
23 Planes
56 helicopter
200 (S)UAV
889 Tanks and armored vehicles
427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
12 Air defense system
18,480 dead
44,500 Injured
323 Captive

UKRAINE:
The casualties of Ukraine, which was in the field with 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reservists) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries, are as follows:
302 Aircraft
212 Helicopter
2.750 (S)UAV
6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles
7.360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)
497 Air defense system
157,000 Dead
234,000 injured
17,230 Captive

234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)
2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)
5,360 Dead – Mercenaries


Where on earth did you get this nonsense from?  That's not from mossad, that's from some Russian troll in a basement somewhere.  How can Ukraine lose 6,320 tanks and AFVs when they barely had 1500 to begin with?  :))

There have been over 9000 Russian military vehicles lost, each case confirmed with photographs. Who knows what the figure is without photos.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
« Last Edit: February 06, 2023, 06:59:AM by David1819 »

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« Reply #2458 on: February 06, 2023, 03:12:PM »
Where on earth did you get this nonsense from?  That's not from mossad, that's from some Russian troll in a basement somewhere.  How can Ukraine lose 6,320 tanks and AFVs when they barely had 1500 to begin with?  :))

There have been over 9000 Russian military vehicles lost, each case confirmed with photographs. Who knows what the figure is without photos.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
    Ukraine have emptied the stocks of old soviet weapons from ex Soviet countries. It has all been destroyed. Currently begging for yet more NATO tanks, planes, artillery etc. The numbers are in line with observed reality. Ritter, MacGregor, Alastair Crooke and other reliable military/geopolitical analysts have been reporting these figures from the start. The widely reported and filmed "press ganging" of new conscripts in Ukraine who are on their 9th or 10th wave of mobilisation also tells this tale.
    Only indoctrinated and censored westerners believe the obvious lies being told by Ukraine/NATO.
    Ukrainian losses are horrendous. Modern industrial warfare is an artillery war(lots of it) and Russia is firing 6 to 8 times more artillery than the Ukrainians can sustain. It is obvious that Ukraine are taking massive losses and those being sent to the front line now are ill prepared conscripts being used as fodder. NATO are criminals sending more and more Ukrainians into the Russian meat-grinder with no chance of success.
    Open source intel from many sources all point to the same inevitable conclusion of unsustainable Ukrainian losses.  The scale of defeat is becoming impossible to cover up. The scale of losses was reported by The Guardian(a propaganda outlet for MI6) from June of last year;

   https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/10/ukraine-casualty-rate-russia-war-tipping-point

   Arestovych-Presidential adviser at the time, gives a casualty figure for the Ukrainians at that time of 1,000 casualties daily. That is the Ukraine government in June were admitting losses of 1,000 men per day.
   They are currently on their 9th or 10th wave of conscription and there are countless videos on social media(twitter, telegram channels) of forced press ganging and summonses of people at work, restaurants. It is plain to see and has been for some time that Ukraine/NATO cannot defeat Russia.
    Given all the begging of equipment and the emptying of the arsenals of former Soviet countries-what do you realistically believe their losses to be. The initial stocks of tanks, planes, Air defences, artillery pieces have been destroyed as well as all the old stuff they got and currently they are getting hammered and needing billions more dollars worth of Tanks, planes etc.
    Where has all the initial stuff gone?
    How do you imagine that Ukrainian losses are not magnitudes higher than Russia? There is zero dispute that the artillery duel is heavily stacked in Russia's favour(between 6 to 1 and 8 to 1). Their air force, navy and initial army destroyed. No objective serious analyst disputes this
    It has reached a tipping point, David.

https://ussanews.com/2023/02/05/mossad-believes-157000-ukrainian-soldiers-are-kia-so-far-turkish-newspaper-claims/

    The claims are in line with observed reality and the objective reporting since hostilities began.
    Your source (ORYX) is a Bellingcat aligned funded by NATO propaganda source. Oryx is not an unbiased Open Source intel analyst. It is a paid and funded propaganda source masquerading as an independent OSINT analyst. It is not funded to give you a unbiased view of events. Oryx is just a Dutch Bellingcat and no informed person takes these people seriously. They aren't analysts-they are barely disguised propagandists.
     It has reached the point where NATO either have to accept the Russian demands and reality on the ground or enter the war openly which leads to the same outcome-just a bit slower.
   
   


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« Reply #2459 on: February 06, 2023, 05:43:PM »
 It has reached the point where NATO either have to accept the Russian demands and reality on the ground or enter the war openly which leads to the same outcome-just a bit slower.

    Truth be told, NATO would not dare to openly intervene. Their alleged unity would be exposed and military weakness unequivocally demonstrated. Most of them (NATO countries) are sending no arms to Ukraine and want no part of any US/UK + vassals led war on Russia. If Poland or any other NATO country openly involves itself then Russia will strike military installations in Poland. NATO will not unify and intervene. Turkiye? Hungary? Croatia?  NATO are fighting like "Rats in a sack" amongst themselves and in no position to be taking on Russia. They will end up negotiating on Russian terms before declaring victory.