Russia - worrying?

[Roch]

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David, it was a Ukrainian base near the border with Poland. How can you guarantee that there just happened to be three volunteers from UK Ex-special forces personnel. That's how it was reported, but in all honesty, there is no guarantee that they were volunteers nor that they were there without official knowledge. That's all I'm saying.

[David1819]

David, it was a Ukrainian base near the border with Poland. How can you guarantee that there just happened to be three volunteers from UK Ex-special forces personnel. That's how it was reported, but in all honesty, there is no guarantee that they were volunteers nor that they were there without official knowledge. That's all I'm saying.

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[Roch]

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Access the Guardian website and use their search facility for 'Azov' then read the articles that feature. I couldn't see the latest article. But there are some older ones.

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Which is why vetting all refugees is vital ! It wouldn't be the first time there have been infiltrators.

[Roch]

What's the betting that Russia will attack some kind of shipment, whether convoy or otherwise, and advise that the shipment included arms bound for Ukraine (ie they had intelligence). The other side (our side) will say it was a shipment of aid for Ukrainian civilians. They say the first casualty of war is truth. There is precedent for this, regarding aid shipments bound for Palestine, which are intercepted by Israeli forces etc.

[David1819]

Access the Guardian website and use their search facility for 'Azov' then read the articles that feature. I couldn't see the latest article. But there are some older ones.

I know what the Azov battalion are. Saying Ukraine are Nazis because of them is like saying we are Nazis because of the EDL. 

[Roch]

I know what the Azov battalion are. Saying Ukraine are Nazis because of them is like saying we are Nazis because of the EDL. 

The EDL were not paramilitary - I don't even think they were Nazis per se. They were for the most part young, bigoted etc. Ironically, they were a product of Bush and Blair's 'war on terror' and the divisions that ensued between Muslim and non-muslim Brits.

[David1819]

Putin is waging a war against civilians and infrastructure

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tenkao/putin_is_waging_a_war_against_civilians_and/

[Roch]

Putin is waging a war against civilians and infrastructure

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tenkao/putin_is_waging_a_war_against_civilians_and/

If I put my Armchair General hat on, I'd say Russian military tactics seem to have been rubbish from the start. You have to wonder whether some of the current shelling is in retaliation for the deaths of Russian soldiers early on. In which case, that's even worse tactics! 

[Roch]

Georgy Zhukov must be spinning in his grave at this latest batch of Russian generals.

[Roch]

Near the beginning of this short video, watch what Putin says about the US in respect of NATO and vice versa. This is what David refuses to take in to account.

https://youtu.be/eiuplgzbCC4

[David1819]

Near the beginning of this short video, watch what Putin says about the US in respect of NATO and vice versa. This is what David refuses to take in to account.

https://youtu.be/eiuplgzbCC4

I have seen all four episodes of the Putin interviews.

[David1819]

The EDL were not paramilitary - I don't even think they were Nazis per se. They were for the most part young, bigoted etc. Ironically, they were a product of Bush and Blair's 'war on terror' and the divisions that ensued between Muslim and non-muslim Brits.

They would be if this country was attacked and the government was handing out guns to anyone and everyone like they are in Ukraine.

[Roch]

I have seen all four episodes of the Putin interviews.

Zelenski has said Ukraine can never be part of NATO. It looks like they're heading for some kind of agreement?

[David1819]

If I put my Armchair General hat on, I'd say Russian military tactics seem to have been rubbish from the start.

No they haven't. In the first days of the invasion, Russian special forces and light airborne infantry took over an airport in Kyiv. The plan was to have reinforcements landing there quickly and they would swiftly move into the government buildings and overthrow Zellensky. But they were repelled before this could materialise. Everything since then has been rubbish.