Russia - worrying?

[Roch]

Ah right, the US spent a trillion dollars on war instead of just buying cheap Iraqi oil. They then left the country and Iraq's current oil market is 100% state owned by the Iraqi government.

Rochski no offence but you really haven't got a clue.

A trillion dollars to the big corporations who run the country, along with psychopaths like Woofivitz?  How much oil did the US grab before it was handed over to whatever puppet regime that was installed?

[Roch]

Not forgetting that it was the US who built up the tyrant Saddam in the first place, then turned on him.

[Bubo bubo]

If Ukraine/West want to live in peace and prosperity more should have been done to find a peaceful solution to Putin's security concerns whether they be real or rooted in paranoia.

In the Balkans war Bosnia wanted to retain Kosovo, inhabited by Albanians. They had to give it up. If Ukraine had ceded the two regions to the East and Crimea they could have survived without them. Their lack of compromise has led to an arguably worst situation. They could have joined the EU and asked for legally guaranteed neutrality. They would have prospered more than those under the Russians  and may have led to these regions to re-join Ukraine. Geopolitics is about an overcrowded planet and resources. It is also being driven by climate change.

[David1819]

A trillion dollars to the big corporations who run the country, along with psychopaths like Woofivitz?  How much oil did you grab before it was handed over to whatever puppet regime was installed?

Arr right, they started a war to enrich arms companies instead of just giving them more of the same money they get in peace time. They forgot about the Iraqi oil in 1991. Then spent another trillion dollars invading a country with no oil (Afghanistan).

Evil American Empire really doesn't know what its doing. 

[Roch]

Arr right, they started a war to enrich arms companies instead of just giving them more of the same money they get in peace time. They forgot about the Iraqi oil in 1991. Then spent another trillion dollars invading a country with no oil (Afghanistan).

Evil Americam Empire really doesn't know what its doing. 

Yes I'm sure they're the most philanthropic country on Earth and that their wars are all made for good reasons and all the people they kill are grateful. I'm sure nobody in the US benefits financially from it.

[David1819]

Yes I'm sure they're the most philanthropic country on Earth and that their wars are all made for good reasons and all the people they kill are grateful. I'm sure nobody in the US benefits financially from it.

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare". - Sun Tzu

Moreover. Its all about whether the ends justify the means. Does the end goal justify the human loss of life needed to achieve it?

For example -

Pot Pot has murdered nearly two million of his own people and created a humanitarian crisis on the Vietnam border. - Vietnam invaded Cambodia to remove Pol Pot at the expense of thousands of military and civilian lives. Did the ends justify the means? Yes.

[Roch]

"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare". - Sun Tzu

Moreover. Its all about whether the ends justify the means. Does the end goal justify the human loss of life needed to achieve it?

For example -

Pot Pot has murdered nearly two million of his own people and created a humanitarian crisis on the Vietnam border. - Vietnam invaded Cambodia to remove Pol Pot at the expense of thousands of military and civilian lives. Did the ends justify the means? Yes.

The US wasn't planning on a long war though was it? It completely fxxked up. Then there's Afghanistan. We all know what happened there.

[David1819]

The US wasn't planning on a long war though was it? It completely fxxked up. Then there's Afghanistan. We all know what happened there.

And Putin expected Ukraine to buckle in 3 days. 

As for Afghanistan, we left them with a well equipped army, they just didn't have the will to fight. In hindsight we should have either stayed longer or left once OBL was killed.

[Roch]

And Putin expected Ukraine to buckle in 3 days. 

As for Afghanistan, we left them with a well equipped army, they just didn't have the will to fight. In hindsight we should have either stayed longer or left once OBL was killed.

Ukraine was never going to buckle in three days. It has had weaponry provided to it by NATO countries, and will have had training provided also. It's also a huge country. Russia also went in without maximum force for the first few days or more.

As for Afghanistan, the Saigon/Kabul imagery takes some beating.

[David1819]

Ukraine was never going to buckle in three days. It has had weaponry provided to it by NATO countries, and will have had training provided also. It's also a huge country. Russia also went in without maximum force for the first few days or more.

As for Afghanistan. MAJOR embarrassment for UK / US. Yet again.  The Saigon/Kabul imagery takes some beating.

On the 2nd day of Ukraine invasion, The Russian 76th Guards Air Assault Division and other light forces  landed in Kyiv intending to overthrow the government but were pushed back. Documents found on dead Russians show they intended for this all to be over by the 6th of March.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3418403-invasion-planning-documents-approved-on-jan-18-seized-paperwork-confirms.html

The Russian army looks impressive on paper and that is how Putin would have seen it also. However the reality is very different. A lot of money intended for its military has ended up in the hands of corrupt bureaucrats. There was even reports of Russian troops selling their petrol on the black market right before the attack, hence they have a 40km long traffic jam. Outside Kyiv.

[David1819]

Russian shopping centre now.

https://v.redd.it/6zsihkxnbdm81/DASH_360.mp4

[David1819]

Former heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tad0lm/ive_just_seen_some_pictures_my_heart_is_bleeding/

[nugnug]

oh look o there not nazis https://youtu.be/TtdWbZ-iO1I

[Roch]

On the 2nd day of Ukraine invasion, The Russian 76th Guards Air Assault Division and other light forces  landed in Kyiv intending to overthrow the government but were pushed back. Documents found on dead Russians show they intended for this all to be over by the 6th of March.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3418403-invasion-planning-documents-approved-on-jan-18-seized-paperwork-confirms.html

The Russian army looks impressive on paper and that is how Putin would have seen it also. However the reality is very different. A lot of money intended for its military has ended up in the hands of corrupt bureaucrats. There was even reports of Russian troops selling their petrol on the black market right before the attack, hence they have a 40km long traffic jam. Outside Kyiv.

I'm not sure of the veracity of what you post. It could be true.

But I love this ..

https://mobile.twitter.com/caitoz/status/1501367736416751616

[David1819]